General Page Quote Discussion:

I think that's a good quote; it may be Played for Laughs, but it lampshades the kind of logic the trope is about.

The quote for Survivor Guilt was changed to a line from I Robot that in my opinion doesn't make much sense out of context. It sounds like someone's logic for saving a child, rather than them berating somebody else for not saving a child and saving them instead, and them feeling guilty about being the survivor is yet another mental leap from there.

Before that it was a Les Miserables lyric (now on the Quotes tab): "My friends, my friends, forgive me / that I live and you are gone". Doesn't get much succinct-er than that.

edited 1st Dec '13 11:55:39 AM by johnnye

Survivor Guilt: Revert the quote change. Don't know what the current quote refers to.

The Cat Came Back has two quotes. I say keep the first one, as the second is just a repeat of the trope name.

The Cat Came Back: The first seems better (for not repeating the trope name), although you can argue on the basis of the foggy description.

Since 11th Nov 2013, Administrivia.What To Put At The Top Of A Page says:

• Page quotes should not have any potholes whatsoever.

It doesn't say why. Is it because such links distract the reader from the rest of the page? Is it because quotes that rely on links are bad? Is is some other reason?

I am not asking who made the rule. I want to know why.

I believe the reasoning was that the original material doesn't have potholes. Eddie wasn't more specific than that, unless I've forgotten something.

The Cat Came Back: Agree with the first quote, but we should correct it to the proper lyrics (I looked it up to determine if the error in punctuation was in the original, and found that it wasn't quite an exact quote):
And you can fly to the other side of the world
You know you'll only find
I've reserved the seat behind you
We can talk about old times

edited 1st Dec '13 5:26:49 PM by Nocturna

A lot of the potholes I cleaned up were People Sit on Chairs, sinkholes, using a pothole to shoehorn the quote's meaning to fit the trope, and all blue entry. And there's the potholes that tell you what the person is. (The Captain, The Archer, The Hero, etc).

It's not a problem to pothole a quote in the examples or on the Quotes page, but I see the point of the page quote is to sum up what the trope's about without up to a dozen references trying to clarify meaning. Check the history on the main work page of The Order of the Stick to see how bad unnecessary potholes in a page quote can get.

Agree on with Nocturna on The Cat Came Back.

edited 1st Dec '13 5:52:23 PM by Candi

Plus, even the best of the potholes pull focus from it as an enhancement of the page description. Imagine a page image that potholed to another trope. It would be silly. (Personally, I'd love to see the potholes in the image captions removed as well, for all the mentioned reasons).

The fact that people put bad potholes in isn't really a reason for a blanket rule. People put bad potholes all over the place, they're no worse in a page quote than anywhere else.

I can see one good reason for it, though, which is that if a quote isn't immediately understandable without potholes explaining it, it's a bad quote to illustrate the trope. If it is understandable without them, well then they don't need to be there. But if the quote needs them to work, it's the quote that ought to come out, not the link.

I think that potholes in quotes just distract from the article. Also, quotes usually don't have potholes in them.

Pun has two quotes. I much prefer the Hitchcock quote, though the first quote includes an actual pun.

Hmm... don't really like either of those. The first one is a better example of Overly Preprepared Gag, the second doesn't really tell you anything about puns except that Hitchcock likes them.

While we're at it: the quote on Just For Pun is brilliant, but it's also being used on Feghoot, which is where it should be. It doesn't have much to do with Just For Pun at all, which is unhelpful as it's already misused quite a lot.

Pull it from Just For Pun.

Also, The LeBrons has an overly-long quote.

edited 3rd Dec '13 8:02:47 AM by SeptimusHeap

Pun: first is better than the second.

The quote on WebAnimation.The Le Brons was the theme tune. A few other sites quote it, but I moved our copy to a new Quotes/ page.

At Terrie (post 2183):

We do have a page image potholed to another trope. Solid Gold Poop links its image to Polish the Turd, and vice versa.

Most Definitely Not a Villain links its image to a work, but links its caption to Hugh Mann.

edited 6th Dec '13 8:17:33 PM by Kernigh

Villain Has a Point has a quote that makes no sense unless/until you read the entry for the work farther down the page. Even then, I had to check a couple other things to really 'get' it'.

Problem is, the only other quote that stands out is the Lord Batman one down in Western Animation, and that doesn't technically make much sense out of context either. (Though that was an awesome scene.)

Villain Has a Point: Wow. Talk about impertinence. Cut.

Someone has added a second quote to The Berserker. I'm kind of partial in the matter; can someone throw in an independent opinion?

The Berserker: The second one is less effective. Move it to the Quotes page. (If there isn't a quotes page, make one)

edited 7th Dec '13 5:34:23 AM by Madrugada

The Berserker also needs a commented-out note about one page quote per when the second quote is removed.

I like the first one.

Lost Technology has two quotes,which should stay?

The first, definitely.

Lost Technology: I prefer the second one, for being shorter.

The first one may be longer, but it's more pertinent and has more context. My vote is for the first one.