Not seeing the trope here: Hot Mom

I think I agree, but does it have to be anime specific? I can probably think of a few examples of the trope in western media, if I'm understanding it right.

edited 19th Mar '12 6:37:53 PM by abk0100

Just because it has a Japanese component in the name shouldn't preclude it having non Japanese examples. It was that kind of thinking that got it into this mess to start with. The Japanese component focuses the mind by showing it is more than just the "hot" and "mom" components (although they are vital components of it), and prevents it being used too broadly, which is the precursor to decay into uselessness.

edited 19th Mar '12 7:04:54 PM by CrypticMirror

Actually, site rules more or less say otherwise. Having that Japanese name component does mean it's not allowed non-Japanese examples. And the Shonen didn't keep off trope decay because no one outside of the anime fans knew what it meant.

edited 19th Mar '12 7:05:30 PM by shimaspawn

Wait, so what exactly is the point of changing it back to Hot Shonen Mom is we accept examples outside of Shōnen Demographic Manga and Anime?

Because then all we are doing is changing the name to mean Hot Boy Mom.

The trope would apply to both shonen manga and anime, and works in other genres that have the same target audience and content.

Well, tsundere is Japanese and has multinational examples...

Still, I don't think Shōnen is a good qualifier for a name in this case.

I think it's at least a rule going forward, like no dialogue names. Even if we don't get rid of the old ones, we can't make any more.

Hot Fanservice Mom?

Lone Flower Of Fanservice Mother?

That is umm asking to be misused....

Anyway the standard Shōnen mom trope where the Protagonist's mom is usually absurdly good looking, ends up looking like she is in her early twenties, supportive usually a stay at home mom, tendency to be quite plucky and the dad tends to be out of the picture is very much a trope.

You will never see age lines on them like [1]◊ (vs her daughter [2]◊)

Bonus points if she she's that good looking and has a large number of children. Case in point: Pokemon character Brock and his 9 other siblings' mother, Lola. In real life, a woman would be very lucky indeed if having that many children didn't take a considerable toll on her appearance, what with all the irregular weight gain/loss associated with the pregnancy cycle and other such stresses on the body.

edited 1st Apr '12 10:22:46 AM by MarqFJA

Soo... are all females of all ages counted, given that they've had a child? Including young mothers of young children? (Like being 25 and having toddlers.) Because there is at least one example that's about a Teen Mother shown when her kid is about one or two, tops.

Technically, that's a different trope.

In general, mothers used to be stereotyped in television as being middle-aged, moderately attractive (or maybe even outright hags).

No, what peccantis said is the opposite of Absurdly Youthful Mother. Absurdly Youthful Mother is, for example, a mother who looks to be in her mid-twenties despite having teenage children.

Clocking as inactive.

I think a good example of Hot Mom would be Gilmore Girls. The daughter Rory has gotten annoyed at gawkers aimed at her mom before. They aren't necessarily her age so it's not Stacy's Mom and the mother is in her thirties so I don't think it's Absurdly Youthful Mother.

Well, she's a main character, but her being a mom is very central to her role, so it's good.

I was going to create a page action crowner so this thread doesn't get locked as inactive, but I found that an open crowner for this trope already exists. I'm guess that crowner is from a previous attempt to fix this trope, but I'm not sure since I can't tell how long it's been open.

Edit: I now see that crowner is from back in 2009. It just never got closed.

edited 6th Jun '12 11:08:05 AM by djbj

It seems to go back to November 2009, by the edit histories.

Even if we close the crowner, you can't create a new Page Action with the same name. Make it Hot Mom 2 or something.

Oh, I didn't realize that.

Edit: I made the new crowner.

edited 6th Jun '12 11:28:14 AM by djbj

Crowner hooked.

found an early version of the description; this is basically what the trope would be if we changed it back to Hot Shonen Mom:

A universal rule of anime: Not all hot chicks are mothers, but all mothers are hot chicks.
—Unskippable, discussing Grandia III.

Many series will invariably have a mother who is noticeably attractive. In appearance and disposition, she is more often than not either as sweet-cute-and-huggable as her younger counterparts and/or hot enough to give Mrs. Robinson a run for her money. This may even be referenced in the show by another character commenting on her "down-to-earth charm" or "earthy good looks". If she's the only recurring female adult, she'll often be popular with the older fandom. As a rule, Hilarity Ensues as she will almost certainly be mistaken for her children's cute big-sister, much to their embarrassment.

Mothers are, of course, seen in other kinds of shows, but have a special significance in shounen, where they usually reflect the relative healthiness of the household without needing to show an extended family. If they're homemakers, they'll be (conveniently) always present at home, and often in the kitchen; if they work outside the house, their jobs will either be "feminine" (nurse, school teacher, waitress, secretary, etc.) or "intellectual" (lawyer, doctor, librarian, etc). They'll be more attractive to the soon-to-be-teenage audience since the Hot Mom is a realistic way to keep the cast predominantly female.

This rule tends to hold most strongly for the lead character, while a side character is more likely to have a bombastic overbearing mother. Lead female characters, especially in Unwanted Harem series, can also have such mothers; if the lead lives with her, it's a general rule. It's likely that a lead female's mom will be more popular with men than the daughter, much to the other's embarrassment and/or jealousy. (Somewhat Truth in Television, tho.)

Occasionally the character is an aunt or big sister, but this is rare. They can also get Mistaken Age from people.

edited 8th Jun '12 1:09:38 PM by abk0100

Since I'm not an anime fan, could you give me some examples of the old Hot Shonen Mom definition "mom as fanservice for a demographic"? Does this trope have Western or live action examples? How do we know that the creator intended for the character to appeal to a certain demographic? And how do we prevent this trope from continuing to be used as "mom character I think is attractive"? I think we need to better plan what we are doing if we head in that direction, since that is currently the leading option on the crowner.

Also, since cutting this page basically isn't an option, what page could we redirect or merge Hot Mom into? I want to add that option to the crowner but I can't think of any.

edited 10th Jun '12 3:34:06 PM by djbj

Oh, a western example is American Pie - the young males watching the movie are supposed to be excited by Stifler's Mom.