Cleaning up : Anime Tropes

IMHO:

• Love Bubbles - Japanese visual trope
• Closet Sublet - general, looks like it needs a bit of work
• Human Hummingbird - I would have said Japanese visual trope, but if shimaspawn is certain he's seen it elsewhere, then general drawn trope works
• Public Bathhouse Scene - a result of a TRS thread on broadening Furo Scene (although it still needs work), so general

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Last Episode Theme Reprise has many of non-anime examples, and IMHO the live-action TV uses indicate that this trope is not Japanese in nature. Should I put it in the "remove" category on Anime Tropes?

Any other objections? Also, Raso, I'd appreciate if you'd mention where you think Love Bubbles belongs rather than just defining it.

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As far as I know Love Bubbles is a Japanese thing. Don't think I've ever seen it in Western works.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

Love Bubbles added to Japanese Visual Arts Tropes. The others just look like remove.

Based on Shima's testimony and her experience with older works, it should be added to Animation Tropes. Closet Sublet should just be removed.

Also, given jkbeta's advice, I'll go ahead and move Last Episode Theme Reprise to the remove section.

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I would like to see some western examples of Human Hummingbird this is different than the spinning feet version that is common in loony toons (that is a whole other trope that I have seen before)

The trope does have a good amount of misuse too that is not it

Not this Rapid-Fire Fisticuffs and something else for the former.. gotta find that trope. As well as sonic and many other examples are Wheel o' Feet.

And IMO Love Bubbles / Love Flowers should be moved to TRS for split but that is just me.

edited 1st Mar '12 2:39:54 AM by Raso

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I'm pretty sure Human Hummingbird is a really common thing with chibi style. I don't know if it's a Japanese thing, but I do associate it with the anime/manga art style. I think I've seen it in Western works, but the only one I can think of right now is Avatar The Last Airbender, and since its art style was heavily inspired by anime, I don't think it counts.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

Sylvester on Looney Tunes used to do it all the time. Same with Daffy Duck, and I'm positive I've seen Mickey do it at least once. It does make sense though. Anime borrows a lot of tropes from the golden age of animation.

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I chopped the sorted tropes off Anime Tropes and moved some of the floatbox info to Japanese Media Tropes. We're almost done with the sorting, but there's still a lot of tropes that need TRS.

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Which tropes still need TRS, and what can be done here?

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The sandbox is here: Sandbox.Anime Tropes. There's six or so tropes to be sorted and around 20 that need or are in TRS.

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Here they are:

• Lightning Glare (I've only seen this in Anime/Manga, but I want to be sure that's where it actually originated)
• Patient Childhood Love Interest (romance trope, no clue on origin)
• "Silly Me" Gesture (may need TRS for broadening)
• Sleep-Mode Size (originated in Japan?)
• Transfer Student Uniforms
• Shy Finger-Twiddling - just came out of TRS, still anime specific?

For the most part, we just need some discussion.

Lightning Glare: I've seen the equivalent in some places, but I've no idea on age (again, I want origin info)

Patient Childhood Love Interest: my eyes glaze over on romance trope, origin for those of you who like it?

"Silly Me" Gesture: body language. A sort of self inflicted Dope Slap.

Sleep-Mode Size: haven't a damned clue.

Transfer Student Uniforms: this seems like one of those things where it feeds on everyone having uniforms. Are there any other countries that use uniforms as extensively as Japan such that they've entered the public consciousness beyond their simple existence? If not, this sounds Japanese in origin.

Shy Finger-Twiddling: body language again. I've never seen this in real life, but I don't pay attention to most peoples hands when I'm talking to them. I've also never really communicated with shy people that much.

Once that's done, I'll turn Anime Tropes into a disambiguation.

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My opinions:

• Lightning Glare - I'm confident I've seen this in early-20th-century Western comic strips, can't provide a specific example
• Patient Childhood Love Interest - dunno
• "Silly Me" Gesture - Japanese body language, haven't seen it in this specific codified form elsewhere
• Sleep-Mode Size - Seems to be Japanese Visual Arts Tropes in origin
• Transfer Student Uniforms - I think this is a Japanese cultural thing; in most other countries with school uniforms, if you don't have the right uniform yet you just wear regular clothes
• Shy Finger-Twiddling - the specific gesture originally covered is pretty specifically Japanese, but people seem intent on broadening it to cover other gestures too

What about the big list of TRS-able stuff? Leave them on the relevant Japanese indexes until they get TRS-ed?

edited 24th Apr '12 7:54:43 AM by lebrel

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Patient Childhood Love Interest: it is a kind of cultural fantasy trope, where a guy basically grows up with the girl and they become extremely close into the Like Brother and Sister trope.

• She can visit his house unannounced, (a taboo.) have a great relationship with the guy's family, even wake the guy up in the morning (which is something real sisters do in V Ns and Harem Genre shows for some reason. This element gets parodied and such a lot) sleepover privileges.
• First-Name Basis or maybe even use the Onii Chan
• Usually worries about the guy, gives him advice, bosses him around and that kind of thing.
• Likes to cook a lunch for the guy, (we have a trope for Love Interests School Lunch somewhere right?).
• They will get lampshades that "they might as well be married" the parents of both will very likely be Shipper on Deck.
• The guy will never think about them being in a relationship. The girl might think about it but never come out and say it.

And those are just the elements before the story begins and that last element will break over the course of the story where various things can happen, most do not end up a Victorious Childhood Friend.

It is a fantasy trope made real in stories kinda like people wish they had a "Girl Next Door" but more specific. IMO it is a japanese trope that is primaraly in Visual Novel and Harem Genre.... with a very bad name.

The TRS ones though IMO we should just stick them at the bottom of the index and let the TRS decide on indexes.

edited 24th Apr '12 12:06:09 PM by Raso

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Regarding Lightning Glare: For some reason, I am thinking of Asterix here, but I don't have the comics handy to check it out.

Raso seems to be the only one familiar with Patient Childhood Love Interest. Given the elaboration as a point of cultural beauty romance standards (numerous romance and dating rituals are such, as are "ideal" standards), I'm willing to call it Japanese Media Tropes.

Any other objections or opinions?

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One instance isn't enough to prove it's established as a trope in non-East Asian media.

Thus I'd be inclined to call Lightning Glare Japanese Visual Media specific.

Visual Arts. Japanese Visual Arts Tropes.

Edit: moved Patient Childhood Love Interest to Japanese Media Tropes. Others?

edited 8th May '12 10:07:36 PM by Deboss

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Eventually, we should finish this up.

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What are the other questions?

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What indexes do these unsorted tropes belong on. We've got some discussion, but it's very little. I'm uncomfortable trying to hazard a guess with only two or three people.

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So, needs an index, essentially? There is a thread for that in Trope Talk.

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What's the status on this?

Mostly dead, I think.

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What still needs to be done before Anime Tropes is cut, which seems to be the plan?