How to fix (new crowner 5/15): Sugar Wiki.And The Fandom Rejoiced

This page really doesn't have much going in the right sense of style. A lot of the examples contain UPPERCASE letters, lots of bold text, and are just plain ugly to look at. Not to mention, it may come across as gushing to fans who don't like a certain series.

There's nothing else wrong, and I know this page already got a rename, but someone really needs to further clean it up.

edited 11th Sep '11 10:40:06 AM by Blatch

I really, really, really want to move this to the Sugar Wiki, but I doubt anyone else will go for it.

This is basically a metatextual equivalent of Moment Of Awesome and should be treated the same way. Sugar Wiki it.

edited 11th Sep '11 3:36:22 PM by Auxdarastrix

I'm okay with this plan.

I am on board with moving And The Fandom Rejoiced to Sugar Wiki too, since from what I can tell it tends to just invite gushing that belongs there. Unless there are any objections, I would be willing to make that move too.

edited 15th Nov '11 1:40:30 PM by LouieW

I'm not opposed to moving it to Sugar Wiki, mind you, but wouldn't un-hyperbolizing (so to speak) the page be a good first step?

I'm not sure if I understand the definition. Is this just for being won back for initial disdain, or is it broader than that?

From the description, it doesn't seem to apply to ongoing series and serials.

Why this isn't on Sugar Wiki is beyond me. Despite all the excessive gushing, this is a very positive trope to qualify for it.

This article has a bigger problem. I was gonna make a thread for that, but since there's already one, here we go:

Sometimes renames just plain fail. Sometimes the name we pick to rename a trope has issues of its own. Way back, this trope had the unwieldy, unintuitive name of "Cue Cullen". We changed that. Problem is, the new name is has caused MASSIVE trope decay.

The trope's definition is aptly summed up by the two first lines:

In more generic terms, this trope is supposed to be about a specific announcement that makes fan suddenly accept an adaptation of an existing work they were lukewarm to before - the current writeup has a specific focus on casting. Especially someone reprising their role, or a very specific form of Stunt Casting.

The original trope namer was Peter Cullen returning to voice Optimus Prime in the first Michael Bay movie.

But the trope is used for anything that happens to be pleasing to the fans. A sequel is announced? And The Fandom Rejoiced. Has it been renewed for a new season? And The Fandom Rejoiced. Are the authors Pandering to the Base? And The Fandom Rejoiced. You get the idea.

But I'll let the wick check talk for itself:

Correct

1. Age Of Empires
2. American Gods (Technically refers to the author writing the adaptation too rather than casting, but close enough)
3. YMMV.Back To The Future
4. Daemon
5. YMMV.Patrick Stewart
6. Pigeonholed Voice Actor

Incorrect:

1. Recap.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic S 2 E 4 Luna Eclipsed: Potholed for the return of a popular character
2. YMMV.Ace Attorney: Reacting to the mere announcement of a sequel crossing over with another franchise
3. YMMV.Ace Attorney Investigations Miles Edgeworth: Reacting to the game being about an Ensemble Dark Horse
4. Adored by the Network: Sink Hole, reacting to the continued airing of Invader Zim.
5. Alas, Poor Scrappy: Reacting to a game being Uncanceled and released.
6. Advertised Extra: Sinkhole, talking about publicity featuring characters in a sequel as "invoking the trope".
7. YMMV.American Mc Gees Alice: Reaction to the announcement of a sequel.
8. YMMV.Animal Crossing: Rejoicing at the sequel having features the fans asked
9. Film.Avatar: Sinkhole
10. YMMV.Axe Cop: Cheering about a crossover.
11. Beethoven Was an Alien Spy: Cheering about the next volume of a work having started
12. Big Bang: Sinkhole about winning an award.
13. YMMV.Bill And Ted: Cheering about a sequel
14. YMMV.Birds Of Prey: Cheering about the comic being re-launched.
15. YMMV.Blaz Blue Continuum Shift: Cheering about DLC characters
16. YMMV.Blue Beetle: Cheering about the comic being re-launched.
17. Breakable Weapons: Cheering about a game's sequel's change in mechanics.
18. YMMV.Call Of Duty Black Ops: Cheering about a specific character being in the game.
19. YMMV.Carmageddon: Cheering coz the series is getting a reboot.
20. YMMV.Code Lyoko: Cheering at a new season's existence.
21. Continuity Reboot: Cheering over something being Discontinuity.
22. YMMV.Dark Stalkers: Sink Hole. Cheering about a slight tweak to a character's moves inbetween games.
23. Darkwing Duck: Sinkhole cheering at the mere existence of an adaptation.
24. YMMV.Dead Rising 2: Cheering over a case of I Knew It!.
25. YMMV.Disgea: Cheering over improved graphics
26. YMMV.Dwarf Fortress: Cheering over newly implemented features.
27. Half-Human Hybrid: Sink Hole to WMG being confirmed.
28. YMMV.Halo4: No explanation at all (Lit: "Well Duh.").
29. Harry Potter: Put at the end of an entry for Big Damn Kiss
30. YMMV.ICO: Cheering about a rerelease.
31. I Knew It!: Cheering over a character appearing in DLC.
32. YMMV.Jem: Cheering that reruns are being aired.
33. YMMV.John Cena: Guy appears in some event. Also, person is not a work.
34. YMMV.Ka Blam: Cheering about the episodes being on youtube and piratable. Pretty sure that's misuse and questionably legal to boot.
35. YMMV.Lego: Rejoicing over liscences being acquired.
36. YMMV.Left 4 Dead: Cheering over DL Cs, new features, and pretty much whatever.
37. YMMV.Mad World: Cheering over spiritual successor's trailer.
38. YMMV.Mario Kart: Cheering over elements of a sequel.
39. Music.Nevermore: Sink Hole for Megadeth.
40. No Campaign for the Wicked: Cheering over a sequel averting this.
41. YMMV.Odd World: Cheering over more sequels coming, and over a port of a game.
42. Olympic Games: Sinkhole that doesn't even make sense with the definition.
43. YMMV.Quake III Arena: Cheering about certain maps being in the game.
44. Questionable Content: Cheering over The Bus Came Back.
45. Manga.Ranma One Half: Sinkhole about divided fan reaction to an adaptation.
46. YMMV.Random Doom: Gushing over a storyline element.
47. YMMV.Samurai Jack: Cheering over the development of The Movie without the rest of the trope.
48. YMMV.Saw: Cheering over a character returning in a sequel.
49. Team Fortress 2: Cheering over a character's new weapons.
50. YMMV/Tekken: Cheering over a sequel's announcement.

Uncertain

1. YMMV.Burn Notice: Cheering about the existence of a prequel movie. Not technically an adaptation.
2. YMMV/Castlevania: Technically not referring to an adaptation, but does cheer at the casting.
3. Deus Ex: Human Revolution Technically a prequel, cheering over the leaked beta winning over many fans.
4. YMMV.Kaizers Orchestra: Rejoicing over an album containing some previously rare tracks.

edited 19th Dec '11 10:03:27 PM by Ghilz

I think this could be put into Sugar Wiki.

I agree.

edited 19th Dec '11 10:06:48 PM by NoirGrimoir

That's hardly gonna fix the 83%*

edited 20th Dec '11 12:27:51 AM by Ghilz

Er...I'm pretty sure it doesn't have to be casting. The writeup mentions casting, but doesn't focus on it nearly as much as you say. It says "the one thing that makes you go 'this is gonna be awesome.'"

"Thing." Not "cast member."

edited 19th Dec '11 10:07:42 PM by INUH

I also think it should just be expanded to include just anything that's basically "they got it right for once!" when it comes to adaptations or anything like that. Just make it the current definition and move it to Sugar wiki.

Look at the misuse. Most of them don't deal with either "getting it right" or "adaptations". They are pretty much "This pleased someone somewhere"

I agree with you, but even THAT doesn't help the misuse one bit.

Yes it does. Your stats there count everything besides casting as misuse.

Yes, but things where the "Thing" is anything but casting are a _tiny_ minority. It would do nothing for the vast majority of misuses which are "They are making a sequel/new season/volume" or "we got a new dlc!" "The sequel fixed a mechanic!" "My WMG was right". Etc....

Heck, most of them don't even involve an adaptation of a work, which the trope DOES mention.

edited 20th Dec '11 12:28:49 AM by Ghilz

Hmmm...yeah, actually, that is pretty bad even then.

The nature of tropes almost always allow for some leeway regarding the exact definition. I'm fine if it doesn't go exactly by casting choices, as I think writers, directors, teaser trailers, promotional stills and possibly even acknowledging fandom requests (repeat possibly) are still in the right spirit. The "decay" of extending to things other than an adaptation was in place almost from the beginning.

But when it ignores the criteria of the trope (lukewarm to negative reaction being blindsided by a big revelation to rejoice at) to just be something the fans really liked, that is straight up trope misuse.

And that's the vast majority of them right there.

Wow, up until now I thought that was the trope! That's the only way I've seen it used!

83% misuse is too much to salvage even a redirect from - we should probably just let Trope Decay have it(and possibly put it on Sugar Wiki). That just leaves the issue of finding a better name than "Cue Cullen As Optimus".

Okay, let trope decay have it... What do you make the new definition into?

Heck, so many are just potholes of And The Fandom Rejoiced, I can safely say it's the knew I Am Not Making This Up or So Yeah.

edited 20th Dec '11 6:32:04 PM by Ghilz

I don't like this option. To me, letting Sugar Wiki take it is all well and good for this page, but then it continues to mar the existence of the other pages with it on it. We really shouldn't have a gushing trope hanging around. For a couple of work pages that I frequent, every couple of weeks I'm cleaning up this trope from lengthy sections of "OH MY GOD I LOVE THIS SO MUCH!". It pretty much makes it Gushing About Shows You Like. We already have that.

Is it at all possible to rename, then do a special effort where we simply assign one letter of related pages to a willing person? Rather than leaving the hundreds of examples to just one? It won't take us that long. Redlink And The Fandom Rejoiced to prevent further misuse.

Could make a page option listing our options? We'd have what...

• Rename and Clean wicks
• Redefine, move to Sugar Wiki

Any other options?