frequently misused on the wicks: Buxom Is Better

@captainpat: Okay, worked that tidbit into the definition. Anything else?

edited 13th Apr '11 12:13:24 PM by MarqFJA

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Well I guess it would also count as author appeal.

For the sake of clarity, are we talking about this as an in-universe character trait, or the way they are drawn?

Damn, I knew I forgot something. Okay, as it stands now, it's only about the way they're drawn. Do I lump the "in-universe character trait" in with Busty Babe, or do I go the same way as "Hello Nurse vs Miss Fanservice"?

edited 13th Apr '11 12:46:43 PM by MarqFJA

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It depends on how it is portrayed in-universe. Is it a positive, negative, or a neutral trait. Or is it not even paid attention to.

Hmmm... How about either softspliting Busty Babe, or employing Internal Subtrope?

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I like the internal sub trope idea. We just need to be careful at how we make the division.

Okay, here's a slightly revised version of the scheme, for the purposes of final debugging before I proceed to YKTTW them... Or should I delay the last step to after the modification proposed in the Four Rules of Three are finalized?

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Busty Is Better (aka Buxom Is Better proper): The belief that 1) a true woman has to be big-breasted, and 2) the bigger the breasts, the more feminine/womanly and/or sexually attractive you are; can take the form of a busty girl ridiculing a lesser-endowed peer's lack of "assets", or guys favoring a shallow woman for her bustiness while ignoring the kind-hearted Shrinking Violet with an average-sized chest.

• This covers cases were the character's bustiness is (either explicitly or implicitly) due to her designer/creator preferring either big-breasted women or just drawing them.
• Unfortunately Truth in Television in Western society and those that are heavily influenced by it.

Busty Babe (aka Buxom Babe): A big-breasted female character whose bustiness is one of the main sources, if not the main source, of fanservice and/or Fetish Fuel from her. The Opposite Trope to Pettanko.

• The likes of Mai Shiranui, Ivy, Morrigan and Felicia would fall under this; one can't really deny that their character designers aren't purposefully emphasizing their bustiness.
• Internal Subtropes of Busty Babe include:
  • Hot Busty Babe: Her bustiness draws positive reactions from other characters.
  • Abhorred Busty Babe: Her bustiness draws negative reactions from other characters.
  • Ignored Busty Babe: Her bustiness draws absolutely no reactions from other characters; this typically results in a lot of frustration for her.

World Of Busty (formerly World of Buxom): Where every single known/shown female/hermaphrodite character - excluding the occasional Token Loli or Pettanko - is unquestionably big-breasted, even the (usually) nameless extras, to a degree that is dissonant with reality.

• Godannar is a glaring example; most of the non-pilot cast are clearly Japanese citizens, and yet not one of the girls go below "large" on the Sliding Scale of Anime/Manga Breast Size. Busty Japanese women are a rarity, last time I checked.
• Similarly guilty are Angel Blade and Divergence Eve.

Of course, there is a reason behind the last two tropes...

Big Breasts Sell (formerly Buxom Sells): Owing in part to Sex Sells, the majority of character artists/designers/writers either believe that making a female/hermaphrodite character noticeably big-breasted and/or deliberating designing the character and/or her wardrobe to draw Male Gaze to her big breasts would result in increased popularity, and thereby increased profitability, or they don't believe so, but still recognize that it's a relatively prevalent belief and are trying to cash in on it by designing their female/hermaphrodite characters accordingly.

edited 13th Apr '11 2:17:30 PM by MarqFJA

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That looks very good. The only thing I might add is to mention that They all can be played for Comedy/Drama as well.

edited 13th Apr '11 5:55:06 PM by pokedude10

I believe playing it for comedy is the purview of Gag Boobs (laconic: large breasts Played for Laughs). As for drama... Well, that falls under the Played for Drama part of Playing with a Trope.

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Ok then. I guess that this this is ready for primetime.

Is there anything else we are missing here?

edited 13th Apr '11 9:09:20 PM by pokedude10

I'm basically OK with this, except for: I don't see why Big Breasts Sell is necessary. It's basically just Sex Sells with a narrower focus. Seems like overkill to me.

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Because sexualization of breasts - particularly those of clearly large size - is so overtly predominant in ads and various media, moreso than sexualization of any other non-sex organ body part (as far as I can tell, at least).

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True enough. Not sure that justifies having a trope to tell us so.

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TV Tropes' definition of trope is at its general sense "a recognizable pattern". Big Breasts Sell looks like a recognizable pattern to me.

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But it's not really a clearly broken off bit of Sex Sells, because it's very rare for something using Sex Sells to just sell itself of big breasts and nothing else sexual. So every item on that trope page would have to be duplicated on Sex Sells which proves it's not a distinct subtrope.

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It seems like a variant of Sex Sells, I don't think it's sufficiently viable to break off though.

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I could see it be a subtrope of Sex Sells but really that would have to be the only focus of the work. It would mostly have Ecchi gag anime in it where there isnt any sex just lots of big boobs and Panty Shots which is mostly covered in Panty Fighter.

I could think of that would work better as a Breast Focus trope where the camera likes to focus on her breasts in quite a few places. Sometimes to show off Gag Boobs, Male Gaze, A-Cup Angst and so on. Like B Gata H Kei◊ Hayate No Gotoku◊ and Negima◊ [1]◊

And then the other trope I think we should do is an Obsessed With Breasts trope Where the character (Most of the time male.) is exactly what it says on the tin.

Chichigami from Negima would be an extreme female example, Saruyama from To Love Ru ect.

edited 14th Apr '11 12:33:52 AM by Raso

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Yea I think we could do without Big Breasts Sell, mainly because it sounds a bit redundant but also, least from it's definition, it sounds really presumptuous unless there's a Word of God to back up any examples.

I like the 1st three but do we really need to include examples of Author Appeal in Busty Is Better?

edited 14th Apr '11 4:10:48 AM by captainpat

Edit: nvm misread... Bah.

edited 14th Apr '11 4:38:15 AM by Raso

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I agree with Raso. Breast Focus seems to be a bit more viable as a trope. Big Breasts Sell seems a little too close to Sex Sells.

The only problem is if it is too close to Male Gaze to be it's own trope.

edited 14th Apr '11 9:36:10 AM by pokedude10

I guess it is close but Male Gaze focuses anywhere with sexy camera angles and Breast Focus would be very egregious examples of just those parts. Like cutting off at the neck and framing just the breasts like above examples adding a breasts bouncing sound effect or a pettanko sound effect and so on. (I would say Ass Focus should get one too.)

edited 14th Apr '11 11:00:55 AM by Raso

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Make Big Breasts Sell an Internal Subtrope of Sex Sells. There, problem solved.

Seconding Breast Focus... And why don't we have a Body Part Focus supertrope?

You know, I don't remember why I added that part.

On the other hand, I find it hard to disprove that mangaka like Tite Kubo or anime directors/character designers like Masami Obari (of Angel Blade and Gravion fame) really like drawing Busty Babes. Certain kinds of Author Appeal are just too distinctive and recognizable to not be their own trope(s). Any suggestions?

edited 14th Apr '11 12:19:45 PM by MarqFJA

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There is only one problem with that idea. We could only put entries that are confirmed by Word of God. Otherwise people would post whoever they thought had big breasts, And then we're right back to square one.

Unless, We created a link to a new page over at the Fetish Fuel Wiki, and directed all the people who would want to do that over there.

Any Thoughts?

edited 14th Apr '11 1:40:22 PM by pokedude10

Making Big Breasts Sell Internal Subtrope of Sex Sells still doesn't work. Without of Word of God any example in that trope would be presumptuous, you just can't assume the intention of the author or character designer. Also Sex Sells only applies to advertisements, not the work itself.

As far as the 2nd part, I think Author Appeal examples should stay in Author Appeal. If we allow big breasts to get there own page then we'd probably need to put one up for butts, back, feet etc...... It's not that hard to split tropes into sub tropes but it doesn't mean it's necessary though.

I'm a bit confused as to why an examples under Breast Focus wouldn't fit under Busty Babe or just Male Gaze. Maybe male gaze could simply be split between breasts and butts.

We could make those a Internal Subtrope of Male Gaze as well.