No 40K thread yet? I'm surprised. Nay, shocked, shocked I say to discover there's gambling going on in this establishment...
I'm eagerly anticipating the imminent 5th Edition release, personally, but I was interested to know if anyone here plays and has a differing opinion on it. There are certainly plenty of people out there who seem to think that 40K 4th edition "only just" came out and that a new edition isn't needed. Anyone?
Warhammer Fantasy (including Age of Sigmar and WFRP) has its own thread here
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Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 22nd 2024 at 5:37:34 PM
Doomguy doesn't wanna kill everything, Doomguy wants to kill daemons.
That all you got?
Indeed.
I can imagine what would happen if he passed into Khorne's domain.
"Join me, and I will give you all the blood you could wish for!"
"I only want one kind of blood. *grabs Khorne by the horns, points the BFG down his mouth* Yours. *BANG*"
That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
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One fun fact about the Doom 2016 incarnation (nicknamed "Doom Slayer" in-universe): The Demons hold that this "man" is incorruptible. They cannot bargain with him at all. Or at least, not anymore, if the theory that he is the Wretched Betrayer whose sabotage allowed the destruction of the Night Sentinels in exchange for the Demons returning his son to him (which they did... as an Icon of Sin) is true. And yes, if that stuff in the spoiler is true, then It's Personal, Relative Button and Roaring Rampage of Revenge are indeed in full play for Doomguy.
edited 25th Jan '17 4:54:49 PM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
I would like to point out this: Ollanius Pius didn't have just one badass moment. The Horus Heresy books expanded on him: The man's a frigging perpetual, and is possibly as old, or older than THE FRIGGING EMPEROR OF MANKIND.
Problem with the spoiler thing: the Demons in Doom 2016 respect and fear the Doom Slayer. They wouldn't if he was the betrayer of Argent D'Nur., because as we saw, the Demons have a very fucked sense of morals and view betrayal as the worst of crimes.
edited 25th Jan '17 5:18:11 PM by BlackSunNocturne
For today's instalment of 2nd Edition Thursday: The Death Company
2nd Edition Blood Angel armies could take a single Death Company squad as long as it also includes a Chaplain, who had to lead the squad into battle. Death Company squads used to cost 35 points per model and had to consist of at least five Death Company Marines but there was no upper limit to the number of models the squad could include. The stats of a Death Company Marine were M4 WS5 BS4 S4 T4 W1+1 I4 A1 Ld10 and were equipped with a bolt pistol and power armour.
Any model in the squad could be equipped with additional Assault Weaponsnote . Any model could be equipped with a bolter for +3 points. The entire squad could be equipped with Frag grenades at +2 points per model; Krak grenades at +3 points per model; Melta Bombs at +5 points per model. They could also be equipped with Jump Packs for +50 points for the squad as a whole.
Special Rules
Extra Wound: Death Company Marines has 1+1 wounds. This meant that a Death Company Marine had to suffer two wounds during the battle in order to be killed. Death Company models had the extra wound removed at the end of the battle however so any model that suffered a single wound during the course of the game died of their injuries and so also counted as slain for victory points purposes.
Leadership: Death Company Marines automatically passed all Leadership based tests and so their Ld value was never used.
Psychology: The Death Company were affected by Frenzynote but were immune to all other psychological effects (such as Fear, Terror, Stupidity, etc.)
Chaplain: Death Company squads had to be lead by a Chaplain. While the Chaplain was alive the squad could fight in Dispersed Formation (4" Squad Coherency). If the Chaplain was killed however the squad dissolved into a mass of rampaging individuals with each model acting on their own. After the death of the Chaplain each model moved their maximum move distance in a random direction unless they are within charge range of an enemy model, in which case they had to charge that model due to being subject to Frenzy.
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Some information translated from the French White Dwarf about the next instalment of the Gathering Storm/13th Black Crusade.
- Aeldari are a thing
- Drukhari are also a thing. Looks like its referring to Dark Eldar
- There's something called the Exhumed who can harvest the power of soulstones to use as weapons and amplifiers. They basically call to the spirits within them to vaporise folks and to buff their psychic powers.
-There's another group called the Ynnari, who aren't really trusted because they're considered to be corrupted by demons. What's more interesting though is that the Ynnari are also considered to be already dead (deja morts).
- Seems like the Exhumed follows Ynnead, and wants the Eldar to follow suit. They want to restore Eldar society to how it was before the Fall. The problem is that they are really arrogant about it, so they tend to be treated with hostility.
- Yvaine (she's the chick, right?) can take souls and "share" them with those around her. It gets a bit hard to read, but I think it says that these souls can manifest as spectres, or she can channel them (she gets possessed, in other words). The Ynnari see this as a divine miracle. This is from the Ame Partage (Shared Souls) section on the side, in the very small print that's a pain to read.
Captain of the Dead City
Ok, so Ynnead isn't actually coming back, they're just introducing Ynnead-y Eldar factions to the fluff. This is far more palatable.
Naturally, we're all just gonna use the old names, right? 
edited 26th Jan '17 3:37:11 AM by GoldenKaos
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
I actually quite like Drukhari, but then I haven't like the name Dark Eldar ever since I first heard it back when they were first released with 3rd Edition. It always seemed a bit lazy.
edited 26th Jan '17 3:41:02 AM by SebastianGray
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That all you got?
>They're seen as really arrogant
HA!
That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
More info on the new Gathering Storm book
In a nutshell: If they all die they can spawn Ynnead and destroy Slaanesh.
Eldrad's plan is to be able to do it without all Eldar going down. That's what happened in Death Masque but he's interrupted by a Deathwatch Kill Team and flees into the Webway. That marks the start of the Gathering Storm.
Story starts in a Dark Eldar Arena in Commoragh, during a must have ticket event. They have hybrid tyranids from leviathan/kraken.
Yvrainne : got in trouble in a craftworld by killing a seer (renegade) maybe she's a seer/aspect warrior. and fights now in the arena. she dies in the arena but a spirit power from Death Masque (summoned by eldrad) goes into her and she becomes the Prophet of Ynnead.
Red eldar : Mysterious, armor style (or armor itself) dating back since before the fall. Respected by aspect warriors and Incubii.
Transcript by Atia :
- The book starts in Commoragh - a shard of Ynnead is there, Yvraine finds it.
- If there is too much psychic activity there - Slaanesh comes for you. So they are scared.
- Yvraine flees the city, gets saved by the Visarch - we don't know how he is.
- The Craftworlds are coming together. Eldar don't talk literally - the fracture is both the way what happens and what factions come out.
- Craftworlds weren't always one ship. Bigger than anything the imperium has, bigger than the Rock. Made up of different ships that are all stuck together.
- Biel-Tans infinity matrix has a fracture - there is a split.
- It's the kickstart Ynnead needs to get born. All the Eldar souls who are locked up there birth the new god. All the "parts" of Biel-Tan split up. It's basically a fleet now, instead of a craftworld.
- The Avatar is in the center of all the souls of eldar of Biel-Tan who died in the last 10k years. He is the proof that the prophecy of Ynnead is real. A beacon of hopes for all Eldar. They can now fight against Slaanesh.
- The Avatar is the mirror of Slaanesh - they are siblings. His power comes from Eldar souls - hence he looks quite Slaaneshi. They are made of the same stuff.
- Lots of interplay between the different Eldar factions in the book.
- When it's desperate, Eldar of all kind will fight against a common vow. Other times, they fight against each other, even Craftworlds vs Craftworlds.
- Now, the Eldar god of the dead is summoned - some see this as a hope for their race.
- These make up a new faction - basically the Eldar who believe in Ynnead. They have now a red colour scheme (like the Visarch, he is their leader). These are the Ynnari. Lead by the prophetess and the Visarch.
- Lots of wyches and Incubii.
- Some Eldar (of all kind) are very against this - especially the Haemoncolus Covens. They see this as "they steal our jobs". If there is a god of the dead - no slaves and stuff, so they are not happy.
- Clashes between the Haemoncolus Covens and the Ynnari.
- Part II is not a sequel - it happens at the same time of 'Fall of Cadia'.
- It ends at the same point as the first book.
- Rules to make the Ynnari. You can mix different Eldar races into one army now. They loose their army rules but gain instead a new special rule.
- Basically - when your eldar units die, your own units become more powerful.
- Ynnari are a whole new faction of the Eldar.
- Aeldari is the name for all Eldar.
- If you already got an army, you can decide to play it as Ynnari, but not all units can be taken. Most of the stuff can be used though.
Hi
Very interesting...I'll be keeping close tabs on this.
That all you got?
Wait, if the seer that eldar chick killed was renegade, why was she banished?
That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
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Well, the first one is quite justifiable since only a society in which betrayal of one's own kin to aid their enemy is praised as a virtue would look favorably upon such an act. There's also the fact that the Doom Slayer was already a One-Man Army that they seem unable to stop without the Praetor Suit; if it wasn't a Hopeless War for them before, it most certainly has become so afterwards. It's only natural they'd go apeshit over that traitor's actions.
The second one doesn't necessarily imply that they despise any and all forms of betrayal, though; it could easily be interpreted that they see betrayal of one's own as a sign of weakness, which naturally would earn disrespect from any society where Might Makes Right (as I'd imagine Demonkind would be like). It's then logical to assume that when they were caught completely by surprise when the one whom they thought was a weakling not worthy of any respect goes on to slaughter their armies and prove undefeatable by even the greatest of their number, to the point that their only recourse was to seal the guy in a tomb and make sure nobody disturbs it, they'd ultimately change their tune and realize they've underestimated that guy's true capabilities, and begin to give him grudging respect and fear henceforth.
edited 26th Jan '17 1:45:49 PM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
There's also the fact that the spirits of the Night Sentinels appear and salute the Doom Slayer towards the end of the game. Why would they do that to their betrayer?
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Because his actions redeemed him in their eyes?
Apparently Gathering Storm isn't the End Times for 40K.
Captain of the Dead City
I think that's fairly self-evident by this point.
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
"We might blow up a few planets, but that's a Tuesday in the 40k universe."
A particularly uneventful Tuesday, at that.
Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
consider how people are "is this end times? is this the end times? is this the end times" every single time, is valid to clarify
". It takes out all the meaning from his fateful defiant stand. Please do not bring those books up again in the context of Ollanius Pius."
well, it was needed since pius dosent really make sense from a fluff perpective in any way, and yes im saying that.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Aaaaaaanywho....
So, I'm looking through the Khorne Daemonkin codex. Interesting stuff.
Question: Have Hellbrutes completely replaced Chaos Dreadnoughts, or are those in the regular Chaos Space Marines codex?
Also: I keep seeing people reference Chaos Contemptor Dreadnoughts for 40k. Guessing those are in some Imperial Armor book from Forge World? Reason why I'm interested in those is, apparently, they don't have the Insanity issue.
I'm just trying to think of ideas for my Chaos Army: So I'm planning on getting the Start Collecting: Chaos Space Marines setnote and the Maelstrom of Gore setnote . Aside from those two, I'll probably get a Helldrake or two, a set of Chaos Terminators, Raptors/Warp Talons and some cannon fodder (Cultists).
Anyone got any other recommendations?
edited 27th Jan '17 10:24:59 AM by BlackSunNocturne
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Helbrutes are Chaos Dread replacements in all books. Contemptors are in Imperial Armour; not sure which volume, because I don't have the money to buy Forge World stuff.
You are dazzled by my array of very legal documents.
Ah, okay. And Chaos Contemptor Dreadnoughts are in Imperial Armor Volume II (thank you Lexicanum)
Also speaking of Forge World stuff: I found out from the owner of my FLGS that almost everyone who plays 40k uses Forge World stuff, so I can indeed have the Red Butchers unit from Forge World in my World Eaters army without any problems. Well, aside from annoying anyone using armored units because those guys can best be described as "rampaging can-openers" ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
I also was talking to him about the Age of Sigmar box (the one with the Stormcast Eternals and Khornate group) and he said that no one would have issues with me using the Khornates from that box as my Cannon Fodder... I mean Chaos Cultists
edited 27th Jan '17 3:41:23 PM by BlackSunNocturne
Just a thing, Pius is not that badass, he got ONE moment were he stuck between Horus and the emperor but that it.
not surprise GW change that, it really leave questions, shame Tg dosent give a shit.
"Doomguy, champion of Malal "
if doomguy want to kill everything...because that is what malal wants, he is the equivalent of 5 edition necron.
" that hasn't changed just because GW stopped providing campaigns to us or handled them badly."
they dont handle badly...well a little here and there but overall, it didnt give them the result they want, so you have shit like the lord of the end times being headbutt by and ork.
" If anyone has written themselves into a corner, it's Warhammer 40,000, and GW's outright refusal (for better or worse) to advance the plot into M42. Because of the name, I guess"
Because the setting is waaaaaay bigger, GW can blow up cadia without feeling something is lost forever, fantasy...less so, Storm of chaos already create some issues liks archeron swarming everything and Nagash doing nothing because.....reasons, between archeron,Nagash and the skaven invasion to name a few are thing that could change the game to VERY diferent thing and to that point you just change the setting.
"30k feels new. It's because it was. New things always seem shinier."
because it feel diferent, more and actual conflict with clear chararter, new places you can used, is the same setting but diferent in a lot of ways.
"advancing it straight to Ynnead is a bit far."
depend how they do it, they trash fenrir but not really, they destroy cadia but no really, they are moving step by step so I dont think they are going to change that much.
Rotpar: what if you have and eldar faction that wants to used dark eldar into the infinite circuit? they alied with some Kabals to take others, take the coprse and trap their soul, in that way you get power to ynnded and protect precious eldar souls
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