- Further proof. The pumpkin that WV appearified earlier on has the same design as the one we see in (what is very presumably) GG's room in the first Psyche! The spacial co-ordinates of said appearification are nearly exactly the same as the one for the Frog Temple, as seen here and here. Also note that the Sburbian bunker flew there when WV pressed HOME. So it's likely that either the Frog-Temple people, or GG (if they are even separate people!) are responsible for SBURB.
- A slight difference in co-ordinates, and the chasm where the volcano was, indicates that GG's home isn't the temple - it's the volcano itself.
- ...Or its foothills, anyway (something which, looking at the meteor crater, should've been obvious - it would've hit a little south of the volcano).
- A slight difference in co-ordinates, and the chasm where the volcano was, indicates that GG's home isn't the temple - it's the volcano itself.
- I was thinking something like this earlier. The guardians are all initially seen in silhouette, and yet we've seen what looks an awful lot like a picture of Jade's grandfather in the lid of her chest, unsilhouetted... Bec, by contrast, has so far been seen only in silhouette (including within the very photograph I just mentioned). There's also the fact that, unless we switch back to Dave soon, Jade will be meeting her grandfather and getting her Strife music before Dave meets Bro and gets his Strife music, which would be awkward. Therefore, I endorse this theory.
- Word of God has confirmed that Bec is Jade's Guardian, not Grandfather. Grandfather is dead.
- Confirmed. The Aimless Renegade and the Windswept Questant also come from Derse and Prospit, respectively.
- Surprisingly, partially confirmed. It remains to be seen if Slick has the hots for her, though.
- And now fully confirmed, if you accept (as Trolls do) that Kismesis is a type of romance.
- And now sloppy makeouts ensue while Doc Scratch rages.
- Surprisingly, partially confirmed. It remains to be seen if Slick has the hots for her, though.
- Slight alteration from the original WMG'er: the coding is how to create an ominpo-* insert species here* . Now, recall that appearifier, and the loyal dog that the young Grandpa Harley and Nanna had... Appearify the dog, plug that DNA into proto-Bec, and warp him back in time with the rest of the Frog Temple, and the Stable Time Loop is complete! This would also mean that Bec protects Jade because he was once her Guardian's own pet... wonder how he'd react to John? And why do the gods of Derse's sky want that DNA to remain unrevealed?
- Confirmed as of the "real" 4/13 update.
- Given that the Intermission is a MSPA story in Homestuck and vice versa it's more likely just the Homestuck Universes' versions of the characters.
- In the recap it is confirmed that she was the Exalted Ruler of the Trolls Dark Kingdom, and Spades Slick was its Archagent. Of course, the Kids' storyline has since taken a very different track...
- Confirmed, partly, in the latest update. Kanaya has managed to access the walkthrough, and has recieved knowledge of what's about to happen to her and the other trolls.
Quite simply, the dream-selves are the subconsciouses of The Kids, who see past the nonsense The Kids display to others to compensate for their family issues. Because they refuse to let their dream-selves "wake up", the dream-selves have been writing insulting messages on their bedroom walls. The Kids themselves never realize they're there, but everyone else can see them. John could see the writing because his perception of his father changed, even if his dream-self hasn't woken up yet. Rose, it can only be safe to assume, will be able to see the writing on her walls once her perception of her mother changes. It only remains to be seen how long it takes Jade to tell Dave about his writing.
- Addendum: there is no writing on Dave's walls because his dream-self is already awake; his chat with Rose in the Bad Future confirms this, even if Present!Dave doesn't know it yet.
- Confirmed by the recap. Good call! Although 90% of calling it is influencing it in disguise.
- The Bunny. The same Bunny that Dave and Rose gave to John for his birthday, only upgraded with some unknown form of improvements to make it into the ULTIMATE BUNNY. This would make it the most powerful weapon usable with the Bunnykind Specibus, which was How Jack Noir was able to use it to fell the Black Queen. John is also going to end up using Bunnykind during the endgame.
- Confirmed in the Act 4 "ending" (why else would he hold it hostage?) :P
- Confirmed explicitly in the Act 4 epilogue.
- Confirmed in the Act 4 "ending" (why else would he hold it hostage?) :P
- But isn't that very same weathered Frog Temple still standing 413 years in the future? Could this possibly mean something more for the story as a whole? Perhaps despite the fact that all signs seem to be pointing to a Downer Ending, somehow the Incipisphere and the Medium will survive and the Kids will make it through.
- Confirmed: paradox-clones of frogs are bred to form the frog-god which becomes the new universe created by successful sessions.
- We now know that Dream Jade's body is stored in her Grandpa's lab (along with Halley/Harley, and Jack Noir's fourth wall). It wouldn't surprise me too much if she has to explore the lab sooner rather than later...
- Now confirmed!
- Confirmed. Sort of.
- The first part is confirmed, although Jade still can't use the prototype ring (it doesn't affect humans that way), and it remains to be seen if she can dream. It's unlikely though.
- The end of the final track (Let the Squiddles Sleep) as well as the theme's odd insistence that people not stay up late seems to suggest that something creepy goes down at night...
- Pretty much confirmed.
- Confirmed (somewhere): Karkat created all of their paradox-clones, like John did for the human kids.
- Or maybe not, with the ancestors...
- Boy does he ever flip the fuck out. All that slime pie he was eating seems to be the only thing keeping him sane.
- I'm not even joking, kind of. Feferi says "They are not as terrible as they look" (in her conversation with Karkat in Alterniabound), and she'd obviously be the most pro-squiddle troll.
- "[S] Jade: Wake up." Ho-lee Shit. It, um... turns out you're partially right. I think if I were Karkat, I'd warn everyone else not to go to sleep, too.
- John's physical self is now dead, so this is more or less confirmed.
- On a technicality, it's just the introduction of a "new" player to the medium that transforms the Battlefield, when the Kernel part of the Kernelsprite hatches.
- Confirmed.◊
- Confirmed. John clones the kids and their guardians with weird time shit, then uses the Reckoning to send them cak in time to become the people whom they're clones of. Karkat did the same with his coplayers. Bec on the other hand, got created by Draconian Dignitary in an elaborate scheme to give the Sovereign Slayer omnipotence.
- Half confirmed as of Act 5, he used to be in a wheelchair because he tried to fly off a cliff against his own will and broke his back. Later (chronologically), he got robotic legs.
- Confirmed. Except maybe for certain individuals who fight each other anyway.
The only wrinkle is Rose's mention of meteor impacts on the sites of other Sburb sessions, but, it's possible they just got out before the meteor hit — after all, the meteors were smaller...
- Actually, you aren't far off from the truth.
- While the trolls were all one session, the idea that there can only be one session per planet was Jossed by the throwaway bit about Fedorafreak, who successfully entered the Medium from Earth. If he were part of the kids' session, we'd have seen his planet, so he must have entered a different one.
- And then there's the cherub session, which was started on Earth.
- Seems to be accurate: Blue-blooded Equius defers to Purple-blooded Gamzee.
- Confirmed. Feferi, who has the highest blood color, is the Heir Apparent to the title of Empress.
- Confirmed. But special in a bad way.
- Confirmed! Except that it's a soulbot instead.
- Sorta confirmed. Karkat denies it out loud but is obviously disappointed to find John is friendly toward him.
And then John went and ruined all his hate-wooing by being all immediately friendly (from Karkat's point of view), and too much of the weird human emotion called friendship had rubbed off on Karkat for a decent blackrom to still be possible by the time he reached the point in the past where John's reactions were anything like what he was originally looking for. Kismesissitude eludes him once again.
- Confirmed, at least partially.
- Confirmed.
- It'll drive him to destroy everything, going so far as invading another session to continue his spree. He's grieving, and can't stand or understand this pain he's feeling.
- Confirmed, sort of. It does drive him to kill CD, but he probably would have gone on to escape to the other session and wreck everything anyway.
The other two card types can also trump an Ace (once again depending on the game). These are the Wild Cards which are something that can match or trump any card in the deck. They are:The Joker: Usually, these are tossed out of the deck and ignored as goofy placeholders, but whenever they are included they turn out to be the best card. There are also only two Jokers in a deck whereas every other card has 3 other suites. Jokers also lack a suite. Notice that Gamzee, a clown, is capable of dealing the most damage to the Black King. Notice how he claims to have two personalities, two Jokers.The Deuce: Typically, the Deuce (or 2 card) is the weakest card in a suite. But sometimes the rules of the game makes the Deuce into a Wildcard.
My theory here is that either Gamzee will ultimately take down Noir or Clubs Deuce will somehow accidentally cause Noir's fall. Either way it makes sense for Noir to be weaken or defeated by the roles and rules of cards.
- Confirmed if you look at it in a certain way; CD? ends up driving Jack insane because he kills Jade, which leads to Jack getting confronted by PM.
- Confirmed.
- Confrimed
- As far as this troper is aware Andrew's approved of this.
- If the basis of this theory is "the meteors are the same ones that struck the earth", and everything else is a logical deduction from there, then confirmed in its essentials when John got into his ectobiology shenanigans. Overall, however, Earth's destruction was pretty much always inevitable; Sburb is ultimately unimportant.
- Maybe he really does "conjure" the story...
- He'll have the impact of 1 yard and that's it.
- He must have caught some UNREAL AIR. Or Bro's rocket board.
- Confirmed
- Dave himself agrees.
- Confirmed. It is stated several times that failing to prototype a kernelsprite before entering the Medium makes the game Unwinnable.
- Technically confirmed. John doesn't send the meteors, only puts stuff on them. Jack Noir sends them.
Then they meet up and have a we're-not-going-to-die party and fistbump each other like old pals.
- First paragraph confirmed, aside from the fact that the trolls played in the past.
- Close, but not quite. It contains the genome of Lord English, a time-glitching, all-consuming demon that even the Elder Gods seem to fear.
- Not quite again; it contains a special DNA code that empowers things with near godlike powers over space by making them First Guardians. The mechanic of the code being implanted is as of yet unknown.
- Andrew confirmed this.
- And it was mostly confirmed. Hussie ended up playing some mad wordplay to make it sound more like a troll name than some mere construct.
- It was a fan, but yes.
- Inverted. The bad things happen in the land of maps and treasure, Vriskas Land.
- Confirmed! Robot body.
- It could be that Vriska just influenced the Black Queen sometime during their game.
- Snowman controls Vriska as an exile.
- Yeah this is confusing. Hard to call though.
- Not unless it happened some time after winning. You need all the players alive to win. And we know that Gamzee, Karkat, Terezi, Kanaya, Sollux, Tavros, Vriska, Feferi, Equius, and Aradia at least make it to the Veil.
- Confirmed later though, as about half the trolls are dead.
- Well, the paradox babies kind of [[are]] the kids. So they don't actually end up as another group, but the same one all along.
- To make it more intriguing: perhaps he was supposed to be a simple First Guardian. But it's possible that our universe's indestructible demon didn't anticipate the First Guardian genetic sequence becoming intertwined with a simple, friendly dog...
- Confirmed on both counts.
- Confirmed-ish
- Confirmed.
Ironically, the only way the trolls could have changed the way things turned out would have been to avoid the kids completely. The minute they started trolling the curse spread and guaranteed the the kids' game would go pear-shaped. Though it's possible that the curse effects humans less strongly than trolls (or that only knowing them through the internet did weaken it) since their guardians are just out of touch and not dead.
- Karkat began directing his ire at the "blue-blooded" John. Also, since blue blood in Trolls tends to come with a bad case of Chronic Backstabbing Disorder, Terezi would assume that the fiasco the Kid's session turned into was a result of his malice.
- The trolls who approached (the purple) Rose tended to do so with some degree of respect, while those who trolled (red) Dave simply attempted to hassle him.
- Interestingly too, I don't believe anything has happened to refute the Troll's impression: the only blood they have seen is Dave's, and he uses red text 'anyways.' I'm not sure how much of the blood-politics were planned out before Act 5, but now that the concept has been introduced I think we can expect it to come up once the focus returns to the "present."
- The "Dave's blood" bit doesn't work. Human blood is a color that no trolls have, except Karkat.
- Humans are aliens in the Trolls eyes. Seeing a human having red blood is like a human seeing an alien having green blood: unfarmiliar, but not surprising.
- Andrew has already said that the trolls who actually care about blood color will fudge details like that for the sake of pigeonholing people into their pre-defined categories. And anyway, the point was that the trolls have seen no evidence yet to contradict the notion that a human's text color matches their blood color.
- More or less makes sense.
- Cosplaying as the Trolls has already become fairly popular. The Author Avatar joining in on the fun is more of a Shout-Out to all of it popping up around various conventions lately.
- Confirmed. He has two dream selves, effectively giving him two lives after his "real" self dies.
- Is there anything else he has two of?
- Yes he does. According to Rule34 anyway.
- Confirmed with a closer look. Aradia DID kill her, which woke up her dream self, and at the end of that flash we got a glimpse of her 7-pupil eye. Now we've gotten a closer look. And apparently she went back to LOMAT to get her old jacket with the torn left arm off her own corpse... which she has presumably been wearing ever since her arm was blown off. Creepy.
- Alternately, Karkat has been acting as Vriska and Tavros's aupsitice this whole time.
- Sorta Confirmed. While Karkat makes sure she doesn't kill Gamzee, whom is officially his moirail, and Vriska/Kanaya didn't pan out.
- Confirmed, though not the way suggested.
- Arguably confirmed, but in a completely different way. The trolls' universe's destruction, which is what summons Lord English, is part of what powers the Tumor.
- Hussie has deliberately never said that the demon in the trolls' session is Lord English. The Formspring (along with the knowledge that Lord English's eyes are constantly-changing pool balls) clears this up handily.
- This is confirmed. English has not even made himself known to the protagonists
- Hussie has deliberately never said that the demon in the trolls' session is Lord English. The Formspring (along with the knowledge that Lord English's eyes are constantly-changing pool balls) clears this up handily.
- We know it can't be any of the trolls...with the exception of Karkat.
- Karkat was obviously alive when Jack entered the troll session... Barring Timey Wimey antics.
- There are only a few options; Jade or WV seems to be the most popular.
- Confirmed that the blood on his hand is from WV.
- There are only a few options; Jade or WV seems to be the most popular.
- Who's to say blowing up the Green Sun won't cause The Scratch? As supported by this post. Meaningless Suicide? The Death of Rose's Dreamself. Open a rift? That would be The Scratch. Karkat just thinks the rift was intentional.
- The scratch most likely won't be a result of Rose's plan, just from how the trolls are talking. Causing the scratch is something they're going to do intentionally, for some reason, not as a result of doing something else.
- Dave says the Scratch happens before the Green Sun plan is implemented.
- Confirmed to an extent that Rose is having a lot of unanticipated problems, but so far the plan is going okay.
- And now confirmed in full. Green Sun created, Rose and Dave god-tiered.
- Who's to say blowing up the Green Sun won't cause The Scratch? As supported by this post. Meaningless Suicide? The Death of Rose's Dreamself. Open a rift? That would be The Scratch. Karkat just thinks the rift was intentional.
- Confrimed.
Second, the Seer has two dream selves, her present sleeping one, and her future fractured timeline one, possessing her living self, and gone insane over grief of the deaths of her friends, the Heir and the Witch. That is why she is unfettered and curt lately, to prevent such a fate from happening again. Something will happen where she loses the Thorns, either something good like being reminded of her humanity or bad like the death of someone in her alpha timeline due to her actions, discarding them for her own set of powers. While possessing the Thorns, she gained all the levels, all of them, and her God Tier powers awaken due to accumulating the required requirement of experience on her Echeladder.
- What is this even. This is honestly giving me a headache to look at. Let's just say at the moment, it's plausible, because Doc has hinted Rose can god tier in an unknown fashion, and Andrew has hinted Jadesprite may suicide to allow Jade to god tier.
- Confirmed that they both reached God Tier.
...Which spells trouble for Jade, who no longer has a dreamself to fall back on, and Rose, who intends to sacrifice her dreamself as part of her own plan.
- Confirmed. Jade can't ascend to the god tiers, Dave doesn't (assuming Terezi told the truth), Rose can't ascend and enact her Green Sun plan. However, it should be noted, that all of this is optional, like getting the super-special sword in Final Fantasy games. The trolls beat there game with only one of them ascending.
- Wait, when and how was this confirmed?
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- Wait, when and how was this confirmed?
- Improbable as of what we understand at the moment.
- Technically is but also more accurately is not.
- Actually, Jade's grandfather was shown to have died in an unfortunate accident involving Jade playing with firearms, but the crux of your theory is plausible so far.
- Jade has often been the "Combo Breaker" for the kids.
- The above is confirmed; besides Bec dies early into Jade's session.
- Jade has often been the "Combo Breaker" for the kids.
- Confirmed. God cat is a first guardian, and very cattish.
- For added fun, there's a flash called Alterniabound.
- This one isn't a guess.
- Yeah confirmed by Word of God? Homage, yes. Retelling, no not really.
- The story is slated to end no later than 4/13/11. A major plot event is planned for the one-year anniversary.
- Ah, two years instead of one. That's a much more generous timeframe. So anyone got any guesses what this "major plot event" is going to be?
- Most likely Dave entering but could also be Rose ascending, John ascending again, or a new Exile or Troll development. There'll probably be an intermission afterward too.
- Ah, two years instead of one. That's a much more generous timeframe. So anyone got any guesses what this "major plot event" is going to be?
- An update: Andrew Hussie's original plan has since morphed to "do a really kick-ass animation" come 4/13/10. He says he'll wrap up the act shortly afterwards and eventually get around to revealing the major plot event originally stated to occur on this date.
- Currently 4/22/11 and Homestuck just started Disc 2.
- Plan for over a year now has been "Homestuck will be done when it's done"
- Andrew seems to be loosely shooting for 4/13/13 at this point.
- He ended up finishing it on 4/13/16.
- Plan for over a year now has been "Homestuck will be done when it's done"
- He's canonically the author, which essentially makes him god.
- Looking pretty good so far! Especially since Dave is going to have to help Rose deliver the Tumor.
- So since the end boss is unlikely to be Jack it's a toss up between Skipper and English? Provided they are not the same being.
Horrorterrors are being killed off by a void traveling, hyper bad-ass, bearded sailor. I rest my case.
- We know it's either Lord English or Jack Noir.
- With her creation of Doc Scratch, this seems to be confirmed.
- Bec existed in the distant past and probably rigged the system to create himself. The MEOW code was more of a genetic sequence corresponding to genes. Also Andrew made up the idea of the MEOW code along the same time as Bec, and Scratch's codes make more sense because he made them up much later.
- Bec isn't nearly that smart. And Hussie does love his retroactive foreshadowing.
- Indirectly sorta confirmed later. Jaspers was used as the genetic father of God Cat, who has a BARK code.
- Bec isn't nearly that smart. And Hussie does love his retroactive foreshadowing.
- In non technobabble, Sopor slime is designed to sooth trolls. Higher concentration in the pies soothed Gamzee's mental instability and went too far and made him stoned. However as for the direct WMG, unlikely that Andrew would know of this particular chemical, but probable that he knows of the phenomenon. Chalk it up as half-confirmed then maybe.
- Kid Nana Egbert, Kid Mom Lalonde, Kid Bro Strider, Kid Hass the Flame, Kid Dad Egbert, Pup Bec, Fedora Freak.
- Although we don't actually know what session Fedora Freak is in Bec is an unlikely player.
- That is only seven players.
- Batterwitch Re-Enter existance
- The kids will be communicating with the 8 new players in the same way the trolls did with them.
- The 8 players will have the attributes of the other 8 trolls.
- So a second Mind, Blood, Life, Heart, Doom, Hope, Void ... and Rage
- Also a second Thief, Bard, Mage, Sylph, Prince, Rogue, Page, and Maid
- A Time and Space player is always part of the game.
- Yes, but each session is flawed in some way. An example would be that kid's session had the tumor. While it isn't cannon there is an album song about a session without a space player if I remember correctly. Personally I think it's possible we will be seeing four of the missing god tiers. (Hussie implied that they might become cannon with the release of the newest hoodies one of which was heart.)
More likely the kids session IS the eight player session. Plausable progresion of events below.
- Jade moves the four planets already existing to the planetless troll session.
- The reset is triggered.
- The kid's "ancestors" start session 2.
- Feferi's ancestor's attribute is clearly life meaning attributes repeat in session.
- The planets in session 2 are joined with the planets of session 1.
- Confirmed... except his name is Jake English.
Theory: destroying universes keeps LE from turning on the Horrorterrors, so they work to maintain the cycle of creation and destruction.
- Half-correct. Lord English plays Skaia and the Horrorterrors off of each other.
- First Guardians apparently cannot teleport inside the Furthest Ring, so the distance problem still stands.
- Looks like PM found an alternative way to do it, so I'm gonna have to eat my words.
- Jossed: PM is entrusting him with the ring and he's going to go back to the past etc etc
- And now kinda-sorta confirmed by [S] Cascade.
- Though he never had any conscious choice in the matter.
- And now kinda-sorta confirmed by [S] Cascade.
- Assuming of course, he decides to finally face Jack after all those years as the post-exile Wastelandic Vindicator.
- That's a pretty big if, assuming that a mechanical eye can survive in his stomach for hundreds of years? We already know that he survives to be exiled at least, so it seems unlikely. What probably will happen is Jade will develop her own powers and resize the weapons as needed.
- Jade may alchemize a replacement, possibly from something she already has.
- Confirmed, but for the Uranium.
- Confirmed, mostly. He's certainly insane and a genius.
- John's Dad picked up the
clownharlequin fixation in what has been theorized to be an attempt to share interests with his son. - Rose's Mom picked up the wizard fixation in what has been theorized to be an attempt to share interests with her daughter.
From this we can theorize that Dave's Bro picked up the puppet fixation in what will be theorized to be an attempt to share interests with his brother. Unless Andrew feels like breaking the apparent pattern established...
- Jossed, Bro started the puppet thing all on his own, Dave's fixation/dream scribbles were Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff. Cal did however originate from Dave's dreams, but Bro seems to genuinely have liked puppets long before he even adopted Dave.
- Actually, Bro didn't lose too badly against Jack, and he and Davesprite vs. Jackspers Noirlecrow might have been a true even match. But they actually died when he became Bec Noir mid way through that battle. And no, it is pretty much surely not getting completed normally. This session is on self-destruct, and their new goal is to move the self-destruct bomb to Bec Noir's power source.
- Well they died, but they were caught off guard and did virtually nothing. Bec however died without facing Jack.
- Which would make Dad John's dad, half brother, great grandfather and granduncle. My brain hurts.
- Jossed, they're dead. Besides, Dad doesn't drink? And Mom doesn't bake; their roles are reversed.
- If the scratch's effects go all the way back to the Trolls' universe, their tougher "ancestors" might also take over for them.
- John couldn't "mess up" the sending, because it was an automatic thing. It's certainly possible, but unlikely that Andrew would also replace all of the main characters for very nebulous and mysterious characters. It would in essence defeat the mystery of the Guardians, which is half the point.
- You know, they could have played a previous session, failed, and started over as guardians, kind of like how Doc Scratch explained the trolls' session here. So, Inversely confirmed, maybe?
- Directly confirmed now. In all likelihood at least. Although Dad will still be a Guardian; Nanna will take John's place and vice versa.
- This could also be true of the trolls, their guardians having reset their session so their descendants would have another go at it, one which they ultimately succeeded in.
- This is confirmed.
- This could even be true of all failed sessions that end in a Scratch, that the players do not reprise their roles, but instead become guardians to the next generation of players. The ectobiology lab that creates the players and guardians could multiply in complexity with each new iteration, creating multiple generations of players and former players to be sent through portals to different points in their planet's past.
- Problems; past players wouldn't have died so easy, they never display any form of heroic powers, doesn't fit with the trolls because they never even met their ancestors (who also display no knowledge of Sgrub, one would think Mindfang and Redglare wouldn't fight as much if this were the case), it's presupposed that all initial sessions begin in failure, unless these Guardians also had guardians who helped them and good lord I've gone cross eyed, Mindfang makes mention of The Summoner being born sometime in her future and the Sufferer apparently existed sometime in her past, Nanna died of meteors long before entering the game, surviving the Scratch is seemingly very difficult, possibly even unique to the Kids and trolls, they won't enter the main universe, but will enter the rebooted Medium, presumably without having aged one iota, making it difficult for them to really be Guardians to players who are essentially a few days their juniors, and most glaringly, we see the guardians as infants (aside from Dad who is an anomaly).
- Flip it around: By causing the Scratch, the Guardians will become the new players in the rebooted session. Scratch at least seems to imply as much
- Filing under confirmed-ish, as it's close enough
- Confirmed-ish.
- Confirmed apparently. There's also something worth mentioning in that Time players are Derse only and Space players seem to be Prospit only, and awaken prior to the session.
- Unconfirmed, with there being no Time nor Space player in the Alpha Session. Perhaps Doc Scratch meant IF there was a Hero of Time, the record would be on their planet. Otherwise, it's on someone else's.
- Alpha seems to be a very particular exception. Every one of the other 3 known sessions has at least a Time and Space player, and Word of God confirms they are the only strictly necessary players.
- Also, all evidence suggests Alpha does have Time and Space players - Dave and Jade.
- Unconfirmed, with there being no Time nor Space player in the Alpha Session. Perhaps Doc Scratch meant IF there was a Hero of Time, the record would be on their planet. Otherwise, it's on someone else's.
- Confirmed by Wordof God specifically saying this. The only possible exception might be a solitary Hero of Doom in a session.
- A related theory: Each session must have a Space and a Time player- the Space player being essential to winning the game while the Time player's Scratch function is essential to not losing. As such, the Time player will always awaken on Derse to balance out the Space player, possibly with a unique condition to their 'awakening' (Dave was 'half-awake' on Derse prior to entering, while Aradia's dreamself was still asleep on her quest bed).
- The latter is basically confirmed, while the former has been implied so strongly that it's head-scratching that Jake, who is probably not the Hero of Space, lives at the same frog temple as Jade and Kanaya (something you forgot), or that Jane, equally unlikely to be the Hero of Space, has woken up early on Prospit.
- Additionally, both seen Heroes of Space were female, probably partially because of their breeding duties.
- The latter is basically confirmed, while the former has been implied so strongly that it's head-scratching that Jake, who is probably not the Hero of Space, lives at the same frog temple as Jade and Kanaya (something you forgot), or that Jane, equally unlikely to be the Hero of Space, has woken up early on Prospit.
- Collory: This only happens if the player dies prior to the beginning of the session and their dreamself goes comatose. Dreamselves that die during simply die like normal
- Confirmed by Jake's funeral procession seemingly. Though the logic is flawed for Jade's self; the reason she died is because the moon of Prospit fell on her! Not likely that they were going to inter her in the crypt there!
- Pretty much confirmed; Terezi helped exile Jack Noir in the Troll session partially out of concern for Karkat's well being and the people of Derse.
- Now it's made a complete circle, with seemingly no ill effects.
- Confirmed - and it is God Tier Calliope who does it.
- Jack vs. Bro: Bro survived Round 1, only to get killed by a freshly-4x-prototyped Jack Noir in Round 2.
- Eridan vs. Sollux: Round 1 ended in a stalemate. Round 2 blinded Sollux.
- Eridan vs. Kanaya: Kanaya died in Round 1, but got undead revenge in Round 2.
- Jade vs. CD: Jade easily took down CD in Round 1. By this logic, CD will finally have his revenge in Round 2.
- Jossed...? CD isn't even going to fight Jade anymore.
- CD is a tricky bastard, consider this one plausible again.
- Jossed...? CD isn't even going to fight Jade anymore.
- Confirmed, tragicomically, just before the End of Act 5. Although it turned out to be just what Jade needed.
- Half-and-half. It was Jade herself that died.
- Jossed, because even if Rose does revive, she won't be on her Quest Bed and is still dead.
- Nope, this was Confirmed so, so awesomely.
- He's the only one who could honestly scratch a beat on the mesa to begin with.
- Confirmed
- He's the only one who could honestly scratch a beat on the mesa to begin with.
- Aradia seems to have been a special case, and there's still a reasonable way of looking at this: when the kids go into the new session that Karkat and John have been talking about (and Doc Scratch and Rose talked about earlier), they will be incorporated as additional players (one of the pictures on the most recent update is of an eight-player session of Skaia), and Rose will get a new dreamself and a second quest bed, where she WILL ascend. The 50% chance meant a 0% chance of reviving on one bed and a 100% chance of reviving on the other.
- That is not how statistics work. Rose could have a second bed in the Furthest Ring; there have been some hints for example that the trolls do (ie: the lilies seen on Skaia)
- Not for us, since we don't know how the future is going to go. Doc Scratch DOES. Rose asking him the probability was her trying to trap him into either answering "0% chance of her going God Tier" or "100% chance," since from his perspective there are NO other answers. Saying "50% chance" on the grounds he's averaging the probabilities of both beds is the only way to escape giving it away, and in a weird way is confirmation she has to. If she wasn't going to go God Tier, the statement would be "0%". Rose's second bed COULD be in this session, but Doc Scratch is pretty evasive about where it is. As for the lilies, how does that point to God Tier at all? It seems to be a side effect of the whole "new universe" deal.
- The lillies (check around where Vriska fights Jack Noir) only appear in the colors of the DEAD trolls; the predominant fan theory is that they represent some method of resurrection not yet seen in the comic. Also Doc could easily have simply been extrapolating like with the Vriska and Jack Noir fight; he is not entirely omniscient so he could genuinely not know. The 50% might stem from the uncertainty surrounding whether Dave or Rose will deliver the Tumor.
- Confirmed with Rose and Dave's ascensions to God Tier. There seem to be two ways to go god tier: waking self dying on one's planetary quest bed causing the dream self to go god tier on Skaia (John, Vriska, Jade), and dream self dying on the second quest bed on Prospit?/Derse or its moon (Aradia, Rose, Dave), also causing the dream self to go god tier. So far only Prospit players have been shown using the former route, and only Derse players the latter: it is not known whether this is intentional or a coincidence.
- That is not how statistics work. Rose could have a second bed in the Furthest Ring; there have been some hints for example that the trolls do (ie: the lilies seen on Skaia)
- Alternatively, the "penpal" is one of the kids from the post-Scratch universe, who has somehow found a way to communicate with the previous universe (probably through Outer Ring shenanigans).
- Trollian can already communicate with other universes, no special shenanigans required. Presumably if some of the trolls survive, they'd be able to pass down that to their kids. Additionally, J seems pretty certain Jade's his literal grandmother, not metaphorically. There are a few other things too like calling the Ahab's Crosshairs as an heirloom.
- Outer Ring shenanigans may not be the only way that Jade's grandson could communicate with her. As of recent developments, the best mail carrier in the entirety of paradox space has been imbued with First Guardian powers.
- Hi there Jake!
- But doesn't every session need a Hero of Space to handle frog breeding?
- Yes, every session needs a Hero of Space to do frogs and a Hero of Time to handle timeline shit. No exceptions. Everything else is basically extra players.
- Also, Sollux isn't looking too great at the moment.
- Yes, every session needs a Hero of Space to do frogs and a Hero of Time to handle timeline shit. No exceptions. Everything else is basically extra players.
- Hussie has hinted we'll at least see all twelve God Tiers.
- Confirmed with the Maid of Life, Prince of Heart, Page of Hope and Rogue of Void.
- 1. It's been shown that alternate timeline Daves and Aradias can enter the dream bubbles, so alternate Johns shouldn't be a problem.
- 2. John doesn't remember things that happened after the timeline split where He decided not to fight His Denizen, regular conversations with Vriska, Dad's death, etc...
- 3. He says He died wearing the Wise Guy Slime Suit, which was what He was wearing at the time, instead of the God Tier Hood or the outfit Vriska made him.
- Confirmed.
- Although the X-Ray Vision is a bit of a gray area, the luck-related powers are confirmed by her God Tier transformation: She can see what events lead to the most favorable outcomes.
- This could be possible, given the idea that 4 = 1 + 3, so the kids could really be divided in a 3:1 ratio (albeit unevenly in terms of aspects)—-thus, three survivors to one deceased. Then again, they could all survive, but not without some trauma experienced from beating the game, since everyone has to survive to win altogether.
- Possibly 413 vs. 314, ie, one of the kids doesn't live to 14.
- That particular idea at least is Jossed: the four kids will be 15-16 by the time they enter the Alpha Session. The validity of the whole idea has yet to be seen.
- Confirmed for now - Jade has been killed by Aranea, and the Heroic/Just clock gets a Lucky Br8k! and swings to Just.
- Retconned. None of the deaths that didn't happen before Vriska's are no longer in the Alpha Timeline. They're all still alive.
- Possibly 413 vs. 314, ie, one of the kids doesn't live to 14.
- Game Over Roxy never died to begin with and Jane's Roxy is implicitly meant to stay dead, doomed timelines don't change the alpha timeline because the alpha already exists and inability to adhere to it is why doomed timelines are doomed in the first place, people who die in doomed timelines don't merge with their alpha counterparts, Jade and Jane are explicitly not from Game Over, and ghosts' eyes don't turn white until they know for certain they're dead so there's no reason to assume they're alive or that they ever died. Nothing you have suggested fits canon in any way.
- Jossed. They were never dead to begin with and thus can't have been revived, unless averting a doomed timeline counts as "revival" (the comic sure doesn't count it).
- Although if the point of the WMG was more the "not dead" part than the "revived" part, Confirmed.
- The song to awaken Typheus was released on one of the music albums. It's not Showtime.
- However, Pipeorgankind does incorporate parts of Showtime, and its true the "secret song" is very plot relevant. So, Confirmed.
- Confirmed.
Second reason is that they have no motivation. The Denizens are a cliche RPG plot, and the path to reach them is a standard videogame progression, and it's clearly the way the game's supposed to play out, but I don't think they care. The stakes on stopping Jack (and maybe beating the snot out of "fate") are so high that any of the kids who are aware of him (sadly only John and Jade right now) will surely give it their all. The stakes for killing the Denizens are not high enough for any of them to give a shit. John seemed unphased by the horror that is a ruined mail system and would've had to see the sky before to care how messed up it is now, and I doubt Rose cares about a bunch of fish being dead, especially since they're already dead and killing the Denizen won't solve the problem. Even if the Denizens were bad enough to spark their attention, in the face of the complete destruction of their own planet, the devastation of Skaia and the destruction of Prospit (a place where Jade has lived half her life and which she and John do care about), I doubt any of them will care one whit about this undisguised plot hook. Their mission is to beat Jack and maybe kick causality's ass to undo some of the damage he wrought, and for that they're on an impossible-seeming deadline. Maybe once they do that there'll be an epilogue where they defeat the Denizens for lack of anything more important to do, but right now, who cares?
- As of right now, they may have motivation to defeat one denizen, but no others.
- As of current canon, the Denizens are very important, but maybe not as enemies to fight...
- In the end, John does encounter Typheus, but does not fight him, so Confirmed. The only character we see fight their Denizen is Caliborn, who wasn't even close to being introduced at the time of this theory.
- In the same way that Dave's Bro is probably being in no way ironic and really is just a weirdo with a disturbing love of puppets, Rose's Mom is not being ironic at all, she's just going way over the top in her efforts to be a good housewife and mother. Or, as noted, she's just drunk, but not so drunk that she can't activate secret passages.
- John's finally gotten into his Dad's bedroom, and it turns out it's NOT the harlequin-filled hellhole he thought it was. Dad probably has all those harlequins because he genuinely thinks John likes them.
- As of Act 5 and Mom's death, it seems that Rose wasn't being serious at all and truly cared for her mother.
- "Cared for" doesn't necessarily mean "didn't believe they were locked in passive-agressive battle".
- Assuming the Alpha!kids are a guide to the Beta!guardians, it looks like Mom really did love wizards and wasn't being intentionally passive-agressive (Roxy thinks Alpha!Mom is passive-agressive, but has no interest in escalating into the sort of war Rose thought she was having). Dirk, on the other hand, turns out to be genuinely attempting the multiple levels of irony Dave believed of Beta!Bro ... and is also a puppet-obsessed weirdo.
- Ultimately, Confirmed, as even Rose admits the faults in her observations upon meeting Roxy.
- As of Act 5 and Mom's death, it seems that Rose wasn't being serious at all and truly cared for her mother.
- Let's assume you mean non-first guardians and you're directly quoting canon yes. Jadesprite mentions how bright and blinding the sun is.
- Further support: The trolls say that what goes wrong with the kids session is Jack Noir. Currently Jack is as strong as one of the queens or kings. He has only gotten this far by using a Deus Ex Machina on one, Getting someone to force two of them to step down, and surprising the last one and robbing him of his powers before the fight.
Likewise, Bro seems able to go toe to toe with him without much trouble, so it doesn't make much sense that Jack Noir would cause the kids to lose, let alone be able to affect completely different sessions (as the trolls seem to imply happened to theirs in one of the more recent updates)
Now, if he had the powers to alter reality at his every whim, then yeah, he MIGHT be a problem.
- Confirmed
- But not by DD, blame Vriska.
- Probably not! They're meant more to show that Grandpa is pretty insane.
- Confirmed to an extent in that the junk Grandpa has is meant to evoke the other kids, ie, suits of armor, mummified stuff like Jaspers, and so on.
- Also appearently Nana and Grandpa were destined to be married so... kinda?
- By the way, prototyping a kernelsprite with a sprite is not too farfetched.
- Further caveat: The something awesome she will do will be to send the kids into the Troll's session so as to avoid the Kid's Scratch. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
- Or maybe it will be THE OTHER WAY AROUND and Jadesprite will take the surviving Trolls into the Kids Session!
- These two caveats are jossed
- Or maybe it will be THE OTHER WAY AROUND and Jadesprite will take the surviving Trolls into the Kids Session!
- Corollary: Jaspersprite will also do something EXTREMELY AWESOME.
- Jaspersprite was gathered up by Jade while escaping the old universe, so it's possible. There also appears to still be another Jaspers running around Derse in Roxy's room.
- Further Corollary: She'll do it with Davesprite and they'll die together.
- Oh you mean something like creating the most powerful sword in the game and then teleporting it to Dave and Rose making the mission to the Green Sun possible?
- Something else in addition to that
- Oh you mean something like creating the most powerful sword in the game and then teleporting it to Dave and Rose making the mission to the Green Sun possible?
- Confirmed, but Jade ascending to god tier obviated her existence first.
- It's possible that sprites are unkillable, since they're meant to serve as the players' primary fountain of information. Presumably, their soul retreats to the pendant and has to be somehow rejuvinated. It's possible that Alternate Future Dave knew this, having attempted to kill the extremely annoying Calsprite at least once, which is the real reason he put himself into the sprite — to stave off the curse that follows those from doomed timelines.
- We know that Equius' lususprite died. Not immortal.
- We're not completely sure if he's alive for good, but he's back!
- And he presumably will die shortly during the Scratch, or do something with Jadesprite. He is still bleeding heavily so he probably doesn't have much time left.
- Nah he's fine.
- And he presumably will die shortly during the Scratch, or do something with Jadesprite. He is still bleeding heavily so he probably doesn't have much time left.
- Andrew confirmed the general idea via Word of God on Formspring; Aradia is the lone exception because she was fully revived and in a sense was never a true sprite in the first place. However it's unclear if the sprites naturally die during the Reckoning are or whether they're attacked towards the end of the game.
- Very recently, we got a glimpse of Lord English this page. It was only his eyes prbably indicating that Cal switched them
- Doc Scratch once stated that to know his true name is to, "understand terror no human ever has". That's because his true name is Lil' Cal: a puppet that is notoriously creepy
- Not really a credible speculation, but Cal's shape is abnormally elongated, possible tall enough to fit the overcoat, if Cal was tall enough
- The inside of Lord English's Cairo Overcoat is blue, just like Lil' Cal's shirt
- Lord English is said to have been already there. While that is true for the Troll's Sburb session (and we do infact see that he is there on Alternia's moon) he's aslo alredy there in the Earth's Sburb session, because Lil' Cal is Lord English
- Figures that Lord Engilsh's gang of vassels would be called "The Felt" since it goes with the Pool theme, as well as the creepy doll theme with lil' Cal
- There's a bit in the EOA flash that made some people wonder if it meant Lil Cal was the real "most important character" in Homestuck, adding more fuel to this fire.
- When Lord English actually did appear, he wasn't Cal himself, but his face certainly looked like an even more demonic take on him. So jossed, but this theory certainly did have some base to it in the end.
- Well, Doc Scratch is Lil' Cal, and Lord English is Doc Scratch. Confirmed?
- Plausibly he is released by the destruction of the Green Sun. There are plenty of mysteries still surrounding it.
- Replace "destroys" with "creates" and this is pretty much confirmed.
Remember the fire we all saw at the beginning of the Intermission? Spades most likely knew this was an easy way to get to Matchsticks, so he started a fire on purpose, pulled the alarm, and when he appeared, killed him off.
- Alternate Theory: The recent appearances of Doc Scratch are actually taking place right before the Midnight Crew intermission. So, when Doc called on Matchsticks to put out the fire, the present Spades Slick happens to appear and kills the latter, hence explaining the fire in the first panel of the Intermission.
- Based on Andrew's cryptic references to Quarters and Matchsticks not coming back, this seems to be the most likely example.
- Alternate Alternate Theory: Fitting the time theme that the felt has going on, Matchsticks cannot extinguish fire. He can only temporally displace it with his fire extinguisher. The reason we've never seen Matchsticks until now was because he was chasing the same fire around branching timelines. Each time it was shunted off to a different timeline, and each time someone would summon him to extinguish it. This continued until his death. He pushed the fire into the past, where Spades was fighting Quarters.The fire saved Spades the trouble of finishing the job when Quarters was combusted by the suddenly appearing conflagration, and pulled the alarm before collapsing and dying. This of course, summoned Matchsticks to THAT timeline, where he was off'd by Spades.
- Correct so far as we can tell at this point.
- Alternate Theory: The recent appearances of Doc Scratch are actually taking place right before the Midnight Crew intermission. So, when Doc called on Matchsticks to put out the fire, the present Spades Slick happens to appear and kills the latter, hence explaining the fire in the first panel of the Intermission.
Blank face, wears a suit...Perhaps he's the Slenderman!
- Actually pretty spot on. He trolls people too.
- And he mentions himself being the corrupting influence on Trollkind. A literal hate machine, to continue the symbolism a bit too far.
We also see that Spades Slick (nee Jack in the troll session) hates Lord English nearly as much as he hates Snowman. Slick opposes Lord English, whereas BQ supports him in The Felt. This could lend credibility to the theory that Jack Noir, as the Sovereign Slayer, is trying to screw up the Earth and Troll sessions in order to stop Lord English from being summoned, and why, beyond the demeaning clothing and silly mockery, he hates the Black Queen so much.
- Confirmed...ish. English doesn't create Sburb but he is a part of it.
- English played the Horrorterrors so maybe.
- Andrew Hussie implied that Skipper Plumbthroat was the kiddy reperesentation of Lord English. Skipper Plumbthroat is known to kill Squiddles. And as Squiddles are the kiddy reperesentation of the Horrorterrors...
- Lord English destroys dream bubbles - Horrorterrors either make or ARE dream bubbles. It's likely that by destroying any opposition to himself, LE is killing off the HT's. So, Confirmed.
- The older meaning of Uranian.
- Jake seems to be the grandson of Jade and Lord English; it was said earlier that if Jade knew English's name, she "would understand terror no human ever has." Between these, it seems likely Jade is the grandson of Jake and some kind of "Lady English."
- This makes no logical sense; we've seen that Jade is the child of Grandpa Harley and Nanna Egbert, who are biologically not related to any other humans.
- Similarly, UU tells Jake that "it may be for the best" he never know her name.
- Her computer is marked with the Caduceus, often a symbol of Tiresias.
- UU, uniquely among the cast, uses English spellings and often "English" turns of phrase, her quirk emphasizing the shibboleth letter U.
- Jossed. She's a troll and has shown no relation to English
- Neither of these things have been firmly established at this point in time. We know that she has grey skin and horns, but we also know that she's a fangirl, so she could be cosplaying. We know absolutely nothing one way or another about her potential relationship with Lord English.
- She cannot be cosplaying unless she drained all of her blood and then pigmented it! She also has no idea how humans reproduce. She is absolutely a troll.
- So... Jossed?
- Can't be called. While she's clearly not human, there's no indication she cannot be an alternate version of Lord English, who after all has never been directly stated to be the same in every universe.
- Still unknown but both she and LE appear to be "Cherubs" and there is a possiblity of this being somewhat confirmed since there has been hints that her "Brother", undyingumbrage is a younger version of Lord English. On the other hand this might just be Hussie teasing the fanbase again.
- Neither of these things have been firmly established at this point in time. We know that she has grey skin and horns, but we also know that she's a fangirl, so she could be cosplaying. We know absolutely nothing one way or another about her potential relationship with Lord English.
- Sorta-Confirmed. Cherubs have two personalities and one body, and the Cali body eventually becomes Lord English, so...
- He is something from beyond our universe (where the horrorterrors are is the void between universes, so it might be)
- He has power over pretty much everything (which explains how he manages to defeat horrorterrors without a window
- He's already here (Only he's between universes, and he can only act directly in universes where he's already been summoned)
- Doc Scratch says that Lord English's existence is natural and accounted for: —> But the danger he poses is sanctioned by paradox space. \\ It is a known quantity. His very existence in a universe will mean it will inevitably be torn apart. \\ But there are rules to his entry, and his grim procession through paradox space is rather orderly. The present equilibrium has accounted for him, and will continue to. \\ Jack however is a loose cannon. He will not stop until he destroys everything he encounters.
- The Horrorterrors host the server that contains the ~ATH code that summons him. Seems like a dumb move on their part if he's what's killing them.
- Ultimately Confirmed in the End of Act 6 Act 3, where Lord English leaves behind a trail of Horror Terror blood.
- I think it's more she died before anything happened having to deal with Sgrub or Dreamselves. Feferi seemed urgent to wake Sollux up after he died - possibly- because of the fact that if your Dreamself doesn't wake up/isn't awake when you die, it died too? That's my theory anyway.
- My personal theory on this is that the game exists retroactively. She doesn't have a dreamself because she was already dead when it was initialized, so her dreamself is dead too.
- Or, more simply: Ghosts don't sleep. Thus, there'd be no need for Aradia to have a dreamself, as she'd never have the opportunity to use it. Since this leaves Derse with a spare player-slot, the most thematically appropriate player (Sollux) gets an extra dreamself. Aradia gets assigned to the Time Traveler role for balance reasons, to give her an alternate means of quick-travel and self preservation.
- Resolved with 01/05/11 - "[S] Wake." and accompanying formsprings — Aradia did have a dreamself, but owing to her death before the beginning of Sgrub and her ghostly status, it wasn't sleeping in a tower and didn't appear in the chart.
- Confirmed! OH SHIT
- On that note, since titles in the game signify what you should grow to become and not what you are already, he is the Bard of Rage.
- Confirmed but more because Aradia went back and corrected any timelines where Karkat didn't run the code.
- As of Cascade, we now know which of the universes was red and blue, and that the code hinged on the destruction of both, which then possibly executed the code that summoned Lord English.
- It's more like reflects rather than assures.
- As of Cascade, we now know which of the universes was red and blue, and that the code hinged on the destruction of both, which then possibly executed the code that summoned Lord English.
- Jossed. Vriska was trying to live up to her ancestor's example, not being manipulated by anyone. Overtly at least.
- Confirmed later.
- It's more like a mental imperative. We've frequently seen them get annoyed by one another's typing quirks— such as Karkat shouting at Gamzee for typing like a tool, Kanaya poking fun at Feferi's trident E's (———E), and Feferi in turn remarking on Eridan's "wweird accent". In response, the trolls have often displayed the ability to type without these quirks, but as Gamzee said the first time we saw this, it feels really strange and unnatural to type any other way.
- That could also mean that they're just firmly-ingrained habits, rather than some kind of deeply-encoded instinct. (My apologies if that's what you meant.) Also, keep in mind that this is Gamzee we're talking about, and he never said it applied to any of the other trolls.
- When Eridan and Feferi attempted to break up, they both decided to drop their accents to show how serious they were. This means that 'normal' trolls are slightly more willing to change according to the situation, but they only do it in a special event.
- Probably confirmed by UU, unless she lives in the pre-scratched troll-universe (or a different one altogether).
- Maybe...but what point would that serve? At all. There's literally no point to that?
- Semi-confirmed (though not directly) with the Alpha Kids.
- The Summoner looks a lot like him.
- Confirmed (kind of). Tavros has an ancestor named Rifioh, who is a different individual with an identically-pronounced name.
- This is obvious. Gamzee has to survive until the CRITICAL MOMENT at 0:00, as was already seen.
- Given how similar they are, who's to say the wigglers in the picture AREN'T the ancestors, and he hadn't yet gotten to making the main group?
- Compare this theory to what Scratch says about the ancestors.
- Confirmed.
Solution? No one did. Gamzee, however, is seen to posses every weapon in the game inside of his Jokerkind specibus. It can be assumed, then, that he can merely manifest whatever weapon he needs. He pulled the Warhammer of Zillyhoo on Karkat during his murder rampage, and lost it. Either by giving it away, or having it pried from his cold, dead hands.
- At least partly confirmed. Gamzee is, if not necessarily back to normal, at least not murderous anymore. The bit about Zillyhoo remains to be seen.
- Confirmed
- When?
- Look◊ above Aradia. Vriska has never been near the green sun ever period. It remains to be seen if she's dead or not however.
- That's not a future event, that's a picture from her doomed-timeline fight with Bec Noir.
- But that didn't happen yet in that timeline. So... a future event from the perspective of a doomed session Vriska? Doesn't that mean she is still doomed, why even bother showing that unless that Vriska isn't doomed?
- Also did no one notice what happened to her clock?◊
- Terezi did the deed to give the rest of the trolls a chance of surviving, therefore it was Just at the time not because Vriska was particularly evil at the time but because it was supposedly the best course of action. In order for vriska to comeback that either has to be the wrong course of action (yet another false timeline, unlikely) or moot (the trolls will die without her there to help)
- Confirmed at any rate, Vriska in dream bubbles is not quite out of the story yet. Remains to be seen if she'll stay dead or not however. Sollux however did simply walk out of a bubble, which could mean any number of things.
- When?
- This one is really really likely (and terrifying) since it says on the wiki that Gamzee is still alive at the time of the "critical moment".
- Confirmed, although for vastly different reasons. Karkat moirailed Gamzee into submission, and the blood on his shirt was from them hugging.
- This is now my personal Headcanon.
- Oh my God, we've found the thirteenth troll!
- Confirmed.
- Jossed. It's Feferi's ancestor.
- Confirmed.
- Well, it's either that and Lord English will be defeated indirectly via a number of time-based glitches and loopholes, or she is the Final Boss but Lord English will be the FINAL Final Boss.
- Kinda confirmed, kinda Jossed: She plays as one of the final battles in the Alpha Session, along with The Felt, Bec Noir (although PM is fighting him as well) and Jack English and Spades Slick in a three-way fight.
- Ultimately, she is the last opponent defeated in the final battle of Homestuck, so, let's say Confirmed.
- Aradia isn't planning anything of the sort, besides she knows Tavros isn't "dead" per se.
- Confirmed - Aradiabot batters Vriska before being stopped by Tavros.
- Vriska's Exile is the Black Queen, who becomes Snowman. So...confirmed?
- Similarities yes, but they already existed.
- Vriska's Exile is the Black Queen, who becomes Snowman. So...confirmed?
- While pretty much confirmed, it should be noted that the caduceus is completely separate from and unassociated with either common form of the Ophiuchus symbol.
- UU is involved, but not directly.
- Confirmed ish; the suit at the bare minimum seems to be present.
In order to ensure that the Alpha session summons him successfully in the Kids' Universe, Lord English has the original Black Queen killed off and replaced her with his own agent, the Condesce. That way, she can influence actions in both the real world and the dream world, as evident by her ordering Jack to kill of Jane and Jake's dreamselves before the game starts.
- Identity Confirmed by [S] Prince of Heart: Rise Up.
- Jane will be the Maid of Life.
- Jane will probably be the Heir of Life.
- Confirmed at the very least as a hero of the Life aspect.
- Given that Jane isn't the Hero of Breath, and the game's title handouts seem to have accounted for the coming of the God Tiered beta players thus far, I doubt she'll be an Heir to copy John's role. That, and I'm pretty sure the titles are gender-specific anyway.
- Confirmed as Maid of Life.
- Jane will probably be the Heir of Life.
- Jake will be the Page of Hope.
- Jake has to be the Hero of Space; every session known needs one and they're always green texted.
- It appears that the Trolls' Ancestors were Heroes of the same attributes as their heirs, so it's possible Jake is the Hero of Space. There's also some hinting that Jane is an Heir.
- Skaia could have left the Space position open, knowing that a God Tier Space Hero would break into the session before long, bringing her forge and frogs with her.
- At this point it's impossible to choose between A) This is precisely correct because the Kids (and maybe Trolls) fulfill the "required" roles or B) This is just Andrew messing with us, and they are still the same Heroes (albeit titles shifted for gender; it's doubtful Jake is a Witch!)
- A is correct at least partially; Jane's Denizen is not Typheus, which means her element is not Breath. This would mean the Alpha Kids' session is a unique case, as the titles and roles haven't carried over.
- Jake confirmed for Page of Hope
- Roxy will be the Rogue of Void.
- Dirk will be the Prince of Heart.
- The remaining two alpha kids will be the Heroes of Heart and Void, since those titles are similarly vacated by dead trolls. As mentioned above, either the lack of a Time or Space hero in their session is a glitch, or it automatically accounted for the arrival of the pre-scratch kids.
- Discounting the Maid and Page theories, the only titles left are Bard, Mage, and Prince for guys, as well as Thief, Rogue, and Sylph for girls (assuming Nick, Gent, Destroyer, Waste, and Huss aren't canon enough to count).
- D. Strider is the Prince of Heart- notice that while Jake is talking to his auto-responder that he calls him "dickprince" and mentions emotions several times. The Disciple was special in emotions, too-her love for the Signless transcended the quadrants. He draws admiration from Dave in the beta session and from Jake in the alpha session.
- ...But if he ends up loving rap battles as much as Dave, I'm calling Bard on him.
- There's actually a minor pattern so far in that Page and Maid were the titles of the players who had duplicate elements to those in the Beta Session. If that follows, he'd probably be the Thief of Heart, or Slyph of Heart, but Slyph is probably a female only title.
- Given Jade and Kanaya's earlier conversation about the 'Sylph' being 'a witch but more magical', R. Lalonde is a candidate to be the Sylph of Void.
- Although the Thief role isn't unlikely given how she got Sburb to begin with.
- Ro-Lal is all but confirmed for Void, seeing as how her dreamself has an unnatural "attraction to the void" in Di-Stri's words.
- It is theoretically possible that they have new classes. Hussie, in full Trolling Creator mode, said he was planning on introducing 48 new Squiddles just to kill them all and that they'd might all have their own classes.
- Jossed seemingly by merch.
- Confirmed by their proper introduction (VOID is capped during Roxy's, and HEART is capped during Dirk's).
The only question is how someone of her apparent disposition gets a hold of a rifle at such a young age without growing up under someone like Grandpa...
- By Alpha!Mom, do you mean Rose Lalonde (who is Mom in the Alpha universe) or the new Lalonde (who is the Alpha version of Beta's Mom)? Because neither used rifles as far as I can recall — I thought Rose's mother used her bare hands. Or did you mean Alpha!Grandma for the Alpha version of Jade?
- Presumably the Alpha version of Beta Mom. In the [S] Descend video (I think), you see her on Beta!Grandpa's ship, along with Beta!Dad. Beta!Dad has a cake in hand, Beta!Mom has a rifle of some sort.
- Though fistkind was in the strife specibus list, when john was first picking his...
- Presumably the Alpha version of Beta Mom. In the [S] Descend video (I think), you see her on Beta!Grandpa's ship, along with Beta!Dad. Beta!Dad has a cake in hand, Beta!Mom has a rifle of some sort.
- Confirmed. And for a bonus, she also uses Fistkind.
- Dude Scratch (first name could differ because it's the only one I could think of)
- Who Names Their Kid "Dude"?
- Seems to be Strider.
- What about "Gabe"? It almost rhymes with Dave and not to mention "Gabe Bro"...
- It's a D name which leads to...
- Dick Strider. The puns would be infinite.
- And the implications unfortunate...
- Doug? Drew? Dane? Dale? Dill? Dani? Donn?
- My personal favorite possibility is Dirk Strider.
- Duke Strider. Shades wearing blonde who's far too cool for this business.
- This update seems to say it's 'Di'. Point for Dick, Dirk and Dill, I guess.
- Dirk Strider confirmed.
- Lily Kingpin/Snowman/some corruption of Bec Noir.
- ...Or Lalonde, given that Alpha Bro's didn't change.
- Confirmed as Lalonde.
- Lily Lalonde; it has parallels with Rose, and brings up a R/L dichotomy, i.e. Left and Right.
- As well as the "water" aspect.
- ...Or Lalonde, given that Alpha Bro's didn't change.
- Jill and Dick, to go with Jack and Jane.
- ... Except that it's JAKE and Jane.
- Alpha!Mom's name begins with an R, according to this update.
- Going off that, either "Ruby" or "Rita" could work.
- This update implies that it's an 'Ro' name. That, and Andrew's just screwing with us.
- Roxy? Romy? Roni? Rona? Roro? Rory? Hopefully something that isn't closer to 'Rose'...
- My bet's on Roxy, honestly. Sounds better than Rosa or any of the above, and fits a bit with her flirtatious nature.
- Roxy confirmed.
In any case, Jaspersprite mentioned that after he vanished, he lived with "someone else" that he identifies as female, and that while he came to love her as well, she "just wasn't the same" as Rose. The fact that the Appearifier in the Skaianet laboratory was unable to track him during the week he was missing implies that he wasn't just gone from Rose's house, but from the Beta universe entirely. Thus, either Rose or R??? Lalonde Appearified Jaspers from the Beta universe, cloned Vodka Mutini from him, took care of him until his death, and then sent his body back. For whatever reason, he was sent back to a point about a week after his disappearance on the Beta timeline, while on the Alpha timeline he had lived an entire lifetime. (Unless he was just a very old cat.)
- As above on the same guess, apparently confirmed.
- Jossed. Not only does Dave exist, Alpha!Bro knows their true relationship.
- And yet semi-confirmed: According to Dirk his big bro was too busy being a Hollywood wunderkind and died after creating the pinnacle of film making which was also a subtle(?) critique of Crocker Corp's stranglehold on the world; as a result Dirk considers Lil' Cal to be more of a guardian than his bro.
- Hyper-literate seems confirmed (at least by his chumhandle) as well as the implied Rose-like personality. The brony bit is still unconfirmed.
- It's not out of the question that Lalonde would be the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic fan. Remember, Beta!Mom gave Rose Maplehoof...
- The latest update shows a picture of Rainbow Dash hanging in Di-Stri's room (though it seems to be part of a wider interest for horses and ponies).
- And now we know that Dirk has something that's "probably a tiny Maplehoof for some reason".
- After a short-lived attempt to deny having an interest other than "strictly academic" for the show, it has finally been admitted that Dirk has a genuine and sincere fondness for Rainbow Dash.
"She is so spunky. <3"
- And now we have a character that probably represents the serpent from Genesis.
- The chumhandle for post-Scratch Mom could easily refer to Gnosticism
- The chumhandle for post-Scratch Bro might refer to Bartimaeus (Literally "son of Timaeus"), the blind man healed by Jesus.
- And now we just learned that Jake's dream-self is dead to begin with. Can someone say "Lazarus, come forth?"
- Confirmed
- Or maybe they won't, and Jane and Jake only switched to keep the girls alliterative.
- Or to keep the human girls homozygous and the human guys heterozygous.
- Confirmed, at least for R. Lalonde aka tipsyGnostalgic.
- Fully confirmed, as D. Strider's chumhandle is timaeusTestified.
- More ominously, Alpha!Mom has an activated Fourth Wall.
- And Alpha!Earth's guardian is a cat, which means he has a cat as an ectobiological parent.
- Confirmed.
- Bonus mini-WMG: The Tome of Sassacre was appearified on top of him, killing him, and that's why RL is in a panic and using a :'( face.
- Confirmed in all parts.
- Bonus mini-WMG: The Tome of Sassacre was appearified on top of him, killing him, and that's why RL is in a panic and using a :'( face.
- Unlikely. Jack and CD have implied that Crocker has already usurped the Black Queen of Derse, rendering the necessity of a red army moot.
- Sorta confirmed actually; at some point in the future, red Imperial Drones will be fought by Strider, but it seems that they're on the side of Derse.
- He fought them while still on Earth.
- Worth noting that Beta!Skaianet was right next door to where Rose lived.
- Confirmed.
- What? How?
- This panel implicitly confirmed it.
- Confirmed.
- Mom's Pesterlog icon is Mutie, similar to how Bec was Jade's icon.
- Jaspers was appearified out of the Beta session, and his likely destination would be the Alpha session.
- He appears back in the Beta session dead. Ectobiology can use the DNA of a dead entity, and in Bec's case was Halley's DNA + MEOW.
- A BARK code for Jaspers (a cat) would be a perfect mirror to the MEOW code for Bec (a dog).
- The BARK code thing, at the very least, seems to have been confirmed.
- And as a bonus, if he picks up any similarities to Doc Scratch, the obvious new name for him would be Cat Scratch. Jaspers wore a suit, after all.
- Seemingly confirmed.
- Plausible, at least.
- First Guardians are born into their condition, not made later. Jaspers is likely to be God Cat's ectobiological father, but it's probably impossible for Jaspers to be God Cat.
- Throwing under confirmed for being more or less along the right lines at least.
- It could be Lalonde being the Hero of Void.
- Or she's just that drunk.
- Seemingly Jossed. Lalonde has no interest in grimdark majiycks from what we can see.
- Grimdark, specifically, no. However, Roxy does love wizards and hopes their majyyks are real. She also has an unfortunate habit of seeking out the void/abyss when sleepwalking on Derse.
- But seemingly Confirmed — on the "or something" bit. Apparently she will eventually use her Rogue of Void powers to black out the entire session, according to a later conversation with UU.
- But not grimdarkness
- And now that the First Guardian of Alpha Earth is a cat we may get an Alice in Wonderland motif.
- Doesn't seem to be calling herself it per se, but the principle is confirmed.
- Even if they don't, it seems likely that the humongous object in Jake's sylladex is the fenstrated wall John and Jade will crash through.
- Probably jossed by [S] Roxy: Sleepwalk, depending on how you interpret the WMG.
- Confirmed-ish. Jake is the first to meet a troll, though it's not any troll we've seen before.
- Confirmed. The unknown troll (Vriska's Pre-scratch counterpart/ancestor Aranea) lead him to where half of the meteorite crew was.
- Confirmed-ish. Jake is the first to meet a troll, though it's not any troll we've seen before.
- Derse and Prospit lack prototyping towers.
- The White Queen's ring lacks any pearls to receive power from prototyping. The Condesce has a similar looking ring on her finger, and the White King's scepter also lacks pearls.
- The White Queen has the White King's scepter. Normally, this is present on the Battlefield where the kings lead their armies, and the Reckoning occurs when the White King's scepter is taken. This may be a sign that the Battlefield will never evolve in their session (in the course of normal play), and Derse must take the scepter from Prospit directly.
What does this mean for the ultimate success of the session? At this point, who knows? It might be possible for Skaia to meld and regenerate the Beta session's damaged and formerly cancerous Battlefield. Or that might be the role of the Heroes of Life and/or Hope. As is, though, it looks like the Alpha session is doomed to be null and infertile without outside intervention.
- Jane has entered without prototyping, thanks to GCat's direct intervention. That's a fair sign that it's not supposed to happen for any of them. Especially if you believe the theory that the role of First Guardians is to shepherd the events of the Alpha timeline.
- Confirmed by Rose.
- There is a Veil, indirectly confirmed albeit. The Veil is visible from Derse, but we haven't seen it yet, as looking towards it would spoil what Lands were or show them not there yet depending what theory you believe. Anyways, indirectly confirmed by the existence of large numbers of Exiles in Roxy's lab. Unless they were exiled in some unknown fashion, they rode meteors to Earth.
- Seeing as exiles on meteors traditionally end up in the future, I'm fine with guessing that they were exiled in some unknown fashion. Although that still wouldn't explain where the frog temple came from... hmph. Okay, so there'd probably need to be at least one meteor. But maybe just one then?
- Meteors carrying infants have landed in the past before. There very well might have been exiles on Earth during contemporary times, and they were simply killed during the Reckoning. So far the Veil seems to be normal. Assuming there's no weird ecto shenanigans, then there will need to be a few more for the baby making and sending.
- Oh, and it turns out there's another explanation for the exiles in the "present"...
- As mentioned below, Rose explains that there are a few key meteors (babies & temple), but not a full Reckoning.
- Oh, another thing: the Lab doesn't appear to have the countdown-to-unestablishment timer, nor do we see the big ol' computer with the targets for all of the meteors. Although they might have just been offscreen. Also, as far as weird ecto shenanigans goes, Roxy now has a bottle of kidmomgoo, so that's kind of relevant?
- That particular terminal is locked on Rose though. It's not entirely certain if that can be used for ectobiological shenanigans anyways, and there would need to be another few terminals for Roxy to collect more data.
- Well, there's officially a meteor coming at Jane now, so unless it's actually a crashing airplane there's probably a Veil. So alternative idea: you know how Lord English has been killing off the Horrorterrors? Well by the Alpha session they're (mostly) all dead. There aren't enough left to glub up bubbles for the Alpha session, so that's why when Jake goes unconscious he just ends up in the void and not a bubble, and why there's random trolls floating around.
- It isn't a meteor. It's the Battleship Condescension. The WMG is confirmed, though maybe not the bit about the Veil. The Alpha Session lacks prototyping towers, traditional exiles, sprites, cruxite items, and probably more that we'll see later.
- We can't say that about traditional exiles just yet, and Jane's tree may well have been her cruxite item.
- Actually we can; we've seen the future wasteland and given Jane didn't even have a meteor impact her house, she can't have a base grow out of it. The same applies to Jake apparently, and Dirk and Roxy live contemporaneously with the Exiles.
- Since we don't actually know how anyone (other than the Condesce) arrived on Earth in the first place, we can't rule out future meteor impacts via the Reckoning or other means, nor can we rule out being exiled by other means as a normal part of the game. (I guess it depends on what you mean by "traditional" exiles.) One potential clue in favor of future impacts is that Jake's island looks the same as Jade's, and the latter's was formed partially by meteor impact. Additionally, bombarding polar ice caps is also a common means of melting them in science fiction (e.g. to terraform Mars). Keep in mind that it was the backlash from Bec's energy blast that destroyed the Earth's water in the B1 universe, not the meteors.
- We also can't rule out that the kids will have exiles guiding their session; they have been getting commands from someone after all. It could be UU & uu, but exiles are another possibility.
- According to Rose, it turns out that the meteors that brought the babies and the frog temple are likely to be the only meteors that hit the new session, and all the babies' meteors came from the B1 session.
- Exiles don't begin to command players until after they enter, and Exile commands tend to be very transparently obvious since the players can't control anyone anymore.
- As for the bit about the Horrorterrors... People keep forgetting that time is effectively meaningless in the Furthest Ring. As Rose said, the Horrorterrors are "being massacred. Presently, already, and still to come." It's doubtful that there's any point in time they can't reach at all, including "after" their own extinction if it ever happens. Plus, we've already seen the Alpha session in contact with dream bubbles three times by the time we saw the "meteor": Roxy's dreamself wandering through a bubble, Jake's dream meeting with the Scorpio troll, and Roxy's encounter with the Pisces troll on the other side of the window.
- It isn't a meteor. It's the Battleship Condescension. The WMG is confirmed, though maybe not the bit about the Veil. The Alpha Session lacks prototyping towers, traditional exiles, sprites, cruxite items, and probably more that we'll see later.
- Another bit that's probably missing then: Exile ships, since no cruxite/no meteor. Since the future is flooded and exiles probably don't breathe water, the exiles all went to the past instead? That'd explain partially why there are exiles in the present, because the present comes after the past.
- No the Exiles still went to the future!
- Confirmed by Rose.
- Confirmed.
- There aren't bases so they can't have terminals. Jane's meteor was actually the Battleship Condescension and we see Jake's home (which also has no bases), and Dirk and Roxy's terminals (if existent) would be unusable by the current exiles, so as of current canon it seems this is correct.
- Confirmed by Rose. Void sessions do not have a reckoning, and thus no Exiles.
- Young Mindfang: Has the Sufferer's sym69l and wears fancy, colorful clothes.
- Guardians / Ancestors cannot enter dreambubbles according to various sources.
- ...Unless it's Mindfang's ghost from the pre-Scratch timeline. Being left behind during the Scratch technically kills you after all, and she was still a player then.
- Guardians / Ancestors cannot enter dreambubbles according to various sources.
- John and Vriska's uncreated daughter from a beta timeline: Someone noticed MTG and John have similar cowlicks. If Karkat apparently has an alternate timeline where he went god-tier and died, surely there's one where the trolls and kids met and ecto-biology'd up some descendents.
- There's some Terezi in there too.
- Pre-scratch Vriska/Mindfang: Inverted clothing style to the beta trolls; similar cowlicks might indicate similar dispositions.
- Having a John-like hairstyle might suggest she is like John is some fashion, which would put an odd spin of John and Vriska's relationship. This troper thinks her hairstyle makes her look like Terezi, while others on the Homestuck wiki think one of her horns resembles Kanaya's more than Vriska's. Both can be explained by an ectobiologcal genetic relationship. The fact that her outfit is more fashionable suggests pre-Scratch trolls care about fashion, or perhaps she just gets it from pre-Scratch Dolorosa. Since Doc Scratch says the pre-Scratch trolls were wiped from existence, she may be from a doomed timeline.
- Additionally, there may be eleven other trolls coming after her; Hussie never said he wouldn't introduce twelve alternate trolls. He also canonized all the fantrolls, when he previously referred Doc Scratch's story about the Ancestors as troll fanfiction...meaning they're fantrolls. Meaning canon.
- Jossed: Hairstyles have been shown to not change between Scratches or aging.
- But confirmed because the above logic was flawed. We never did see her hair in any great detail, though her sign and horns are unchanged, something that for trolls is far more important than hair.
- Not dead: She's from the future, but "not born" = "not alive" in the void hence the dead-dreambubble eyes.
- UU, or one of UU's race.
- A beta-Alternian troll from Vriska/Mindfang's bloodline. Now this giant chart◊ isn't just canon, it's our new cast list.
- Not real: She's just an echo of Vriska and Mindfang's journal that got mixed up in Jake's mind.
- Well then, just take all of the theories, why don't you? Allllllll of them. :::;)
- 1M SUR3 TH3R3S 4 F3W 1 H4V3NT THOUGHT OF >:]
- Vriska in limbo. We aren't sure how she died... are we?
- Seems like a big ol' sword right in the chest might be lethal.
- It has been comfirmed that she's Aranea, and is most likely the pre-Scratch Mindfang.
- And give a whole new meaning to the term "Paradox Space".
- Andrew has said directly this is unlikely, in no uncertain terms.
- Trolling Creator-unlikely still means it could happen.
- Unlikely in the context he used it was more along the lines of "Stop asking about this stupid idea, they're done".
- The comment about unlikeliness seems to have applied solely to the Ancestors on Post-Scratch Alternia. What seem to possibly be Pre-Scratch Trolls have been showing up, though they are deceased and are only being "contacted" via dreambubbles. They could very well be descendants as well.
- Confirmed. Though they are dead and it's not limited to the Post-Scratch session at all.
- Andrew has said directly this is unlikely, in no uncertain terms.
- Instead, the incoming players will transplant their 4x prototyped Battlefield into Alpha Session's Skaia.
- There are no prototyping towers on both Alpha Prospit and Derse
- The ring on the Batterwitch's finger in "[S] Prince of Heart: Rise Up." that was taken from the previous Black Queen has no prototyping orbs on it either.
- It's possible the Alpha players won't even have kernels to prototype, period.
- Confirmed.
- However, they do have kernels.
- Confirmed.
- Or, it might be just seven new characters, as U & T are never together (U is RNA, T is DNA).
- I don't see how anyone can believe UU isn't a troll. She (presumably it was her) was seen at her computer with the Ophiuchus symbol, and we saw her hand.
- We don't know if that was UU, or just someone else typing at a terminal with her symbol.
- Like, say, UU's exile.
- Even if they are trolls, they may be based on the Olympian gods rather than the zodiac.
- I don't see how anyone can believe UU isn't a troll. She (presumably it was her) was seen at her computer with the Ophiuchus symbol, and we saw her hand.
- Another leading theory is that UU is the descendant of the Trolls and Humans; for real this time unlike the fake out with Jake.
- UU is from a fan-created race that became canon along with all the fantrolls.
- Confirmed with the 6/17/12 update revealing that she isn't a troll, but a cherub.
- Unlikely; per the revelation that Caliborn's planet is Earth, the (post-scratch) Kids' universe is the Cherubs' universe.
- Actually, Earth seemingly got moved to the Trolls' universe, per Aranea's exposition on the birth of the Cherubs.
- In the end, confirmed; as Jade said she would deliver B2 Earth to the universe they create
- Confirmed in a recent update. We now have the ARquiusprite.
- That's pretty hard considering she's a troll!
- In Act 6 Intermission 4, there are signs UU's planet is the same Hussie inhabits, which is pretty close to "our" world.
- UU's brother is a Fan Hater or he's so indifferent to the game and its "characters" that he'll be a Gordian Knot-cutter. (confirmed, he hates that stupid thing his sister keeps talking about)
- There is no brother, she's just saying that because all HS kids are evenly divided gender-wise and have a Spear Counterpart. (Jossed, his name is undyingumbrage.)
- Pretends to be a Sailor Earth style OC. Writes fanfiction. Draws fanart (and gives Dirk wings to make him look more Marty Stuish), not to mention how (s)he repeatedly insists on being an alien in case somebody missed it. Not to mention that (s)he practically outright admits to reading Homestuck.
- Now that it's so obvious I'm not sure anymore...
- In short, UU is an in-universe fan troll. She's canon alright. Canonically fictional. Also, "uranian" refers to Guy In Real Life.
- This ties in nicely with her "anti-Karkat" theme: he was an alien from the past who was mistaken for a hostile human while she's a human from the future (seeing as she knows things about HS that real-life fans don't) who is deliberately posing as a friendly alien, or may be an alien posing as a different, fictional (to her) alien.
- Jossed, she has no idea how humans reproduce.
- Or so she says.
- Turns out just because she's Cosplaying doesn't mean she's human - Confirmed.
- Jossed, she has no idea how humans reproduce.
- More support comes in [S] Act 6 Act 3, in Jane's chat with UU. UU says that her brother messed up her room while she was napping, but she's never met him in person. When pressed about this, she immediately and forcefully tries to change the subject. She slips up again by admitting that she likes how much space she has to herself on her dead planet and hurriedly signs off when Jane asks about her brother.
- Thus making theirs a one player session?
- They could also represent the fandom better that way, as they both represent aspects of the fandom and hatedom respectively, but collectively they are the readership as a whole.
- More heavily supported again by Calmasis apparently being representative of UU and uu both.
- Possibly proven during uu's game with Dirk:TT: Minus n is so you don't pair people up with themselves. That wouldn't make sense.
uu: AND WHY THE FuCK NOT??
TT: Well, because...
TT: I don't know.
TT: Maybe you're right. Maybe I was being close-minded about self-pairing. What do I know?
uu: JACK SHIT OBVIOuSLY. - The updates following this page bring to mind a certain Pixar short about a man playing competitive chess against himself. The back-and-forth pesterlogs (UU makes her move, monologues, and leaves; uu makes his move, monologues, and leaves; repeat) don't hurt this idea either- they're leaving messages for each other, hence why blocking doesn't work.
- That sequence confirms the idea when taken into account with other things UU has said. Their games are regular but UU and uu have never met each other. uu is able to touch the board to have done his trick with the caps, like we know UU can when she ragequits at the end, so clearly they must be close. Unless they're literally leaving the room while the other makes their move, they're rather conclusively the same person.
- UU's ragequit? How about UU's ability to remove the caps uu put on. I have a feeling this sequence is leading directly to the confirmation of this, though it doesn't explain why UU told Jane she and uu have different blood colors.
- That sequence confirms the idea when taken into account with other things UU has said. Their games are regular but UU and uu have never met each other. uu is able to touch the board to have done his trick with the caps, like we know UU can when she ragequits at the end, so clearly they must be close. Unless they're literally leaving the room while the other makes their move, they're rather conclusively the same person.
- "You must have some wires crossed between your left brain and right brain. Like a weird perceptual disorder. Or something like that." This is going to be Hussie's end-of-act Wham Episode; the ramping up of the clues is not dissimilar to the lead-up to the "Roxy and Dirk are in the future" revelation.
- Calliope all but directly states it, saying he awakes when she sleeps and vice versa.
- And yet, there's a way for this to be true and the two not to be split personalities (though the details of that way remain to be revealed), and the fact that she has the Ophiuchus-symbol shackle on her - implying her brother has the Serpentarius-symbol shackle - seems to suggest this might end up being jossed. Certainly that would be more consistent with Hussie's propensity to shock his audience at this point. The main problem, aside from the clues that aren't "they haven't met yet they've interacted" (which is most but not all of them), is that seeing each other without the other being awake would have to not meet Calliope's definition of "meeting in person", and even then at most one of them could be awake at a time regardless of circumstances.
- Yet Calliope shackles her own leg when she goes to sleep, to prevent her brother from messing up her stuff. That's virtually a confirmed.
- And yet, there's a way for this to be true and the two not to be split personalities (though the details of that way remain to be revealed), and the fact that she has the Ophiuchus-symbol shackle on her - implying her brother has the Serpentarius-symbol shackle - seems to suggest this might end up being jossed. Certainly that would be more consistent with Hussie's propensity to shock his audience at this point. The main problem, aside from the clues that aren't "they haven't met yet they've interacted" (which is most but not all of them), is that seeing each other without the other being awake would have to not meet Calliope's definition of "meeting in person", and even then at most one of them could be awake at a time regardless of circumstances.
- Jekyll & Hyde relationship explicitly confirmed here.
- Or alternatively, a library from one of the meteors.
- There are more than two players in her session beyond herself and her "brother."
- Her session is a post-scratch session, just like the Alpha session.
- Her session is a barren session, doomed to failure with no recourse.
- Either of these roles are non-essential or can be transferred. We know from Doc Scratch that the construct to scratch the game will always be on the Hero of Time's planet, but we don't know if every (first run) universe gets a Hero of Time. We also know that Jade and Kanaya both held the task of breeding frogs and had the Forge in their lands, but we don't know if that's can be transferred to another Hero, but given that Word of God says that Homestuck is about a creation myth and that this is how universes reproduce, it's doubtful that a session could exist without some means of creating a Genesis Frog.
- Confirmed. UU is the Muse of Space. uu is the [Hero] of Time.
- uu is the Lord of Time.
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