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Headscratchers: Saints Row IV
  • In the mission where you save Johnny Gat there's a disagreement onboard the ship where both Kinzie and Matt Miller think saving Johnny Gat is a terrible idea, reasoning that by doing so, they'd have to tap into his mind and that would be signaling to Zinyak exactly where they were. My question: If entering the minds of your homies to free them from the simulation acted as a beacon for Zinyak, why are the pair suddenly so worried about going through with this? Keep in mind that by this time, you've already rescued five of your homies and each time that didn't send Zinyak to your ship.
    • It's because Johnny is housed in an extra secure sim since he is a serious threat to the Zin. Now, at this point they do not know that (although the commentators of Murderbowl do mention an "Alien Warlord" that MATCHED Zinyak in all his challenges which forced him to lock the warlord somewhere deep. I do *wonder* who could that be) Zinyak considered Johnny a prime threat. On the other hand, when Kinzie found him she probably saw higher security around Gat.
      • The alien warlord is Cid, not Gat.

  • In the good ending of the game, Zinjai says that Zinyak's promise to restore the Earth was only a half-truth, in that Earth has been completely disintegrated. Fair enough, but afterwards he states that the Zin have perfected time travel, which the Saints use for their own antics. The question is, if the majority of the game's plot is centered around getting revenge on Zinyak for Earth, couldn't the Saints have used the knowledge they gained from the rest of the game to travel back in time, find their missing friends quicker, sabotage the Zin empire, and kill Zinyak before he could destroy the Earth?
    • Stop spoiling Saints Row V! *grin*
    • That, or Kinzie was worried about time paradoxes.

  • So my character can change bodies, even genders, while in the simulation, ok fine. One blonde bombshell with Nolan North's voice coming up. But shouldn't my character still have his original body in the real world? I mean, I don't get to take my costume or superpowers out with me. Does the Matrix pod change my real body then? Seems like a needless feature.
    • Story And Gameplay Segregation. You could do that in the last two games, but it was never acknowledged that anything ever changed about you. So as far as the plot is concerned, if you changed your appearance in the simulation that was always what you looked like.

  • Why are the simulated versions of people from the past treated like they're actually the original people? I don't mind them being treated like people, but what's weird is that they act, and are spoken to, as if they're the real thing. For example, Fun Shaundi is obviously not the real Shaundi, only a virtualized version of her past self, but everyone acts like she really is Shaundi from the past. Another example is people criticizing the actions of Cyrus, Maero, Tanya, and Veteran Child as if their deeds were really their own when, again, they're only programs with the memories of the originals. The President even points this out when fighing Maero: "The real Maero's dead and you're not even his ghost!"
    • I always figured they know that the simulated people are not real, but they take the chance to vent their anger out on the specific ones that had wronged them in the past/talk with those they admired.
    • CID calls SR 2 Shaudi "Fake Shaudi" if you pair them together in the simulation, and SR 2 Shaudi seems both offended and confused by his meaning of "fake", so I assume they just pretend they're real out of respect/not wanting to open that can of worms of what is real or fake in the simulation anyway.

  • What's with the default stock faces for rescuing Asha from her simulation? From a programming explanation, sure it's easier to make an alternative version of something when you know what you're working with. But what's their in-setting explanation? It looked like they were giving you Stock-Face so 'evil-you' could use your normal look, thus preventing Asha getting you mixed up. But then they went and made evil-you just Stock-Face with a beard. What's up with that? All Matt says is 'some specific concerns she has for you'; I don't get how that's supposed to explain anything.

  • How the hell did Oleg and Josh get to Camp David? Zinyak blew up the White House about two minutes after Josh made the offer. In fact, Josh and Oleg don't even seem to be aware of the invasion, which again makes no sense.
    • The White House doesn't get blown up, it gets attacked but is still standing when Zinyak captures you. From the looks of it once you're held prisoner he leaves the Earth alone since he has more or less won already. They're also aware of the invasion, they're just kicking back and passing the time until The Boss comes back and gives them marching orders.
      • That still makes little sense, as Zinyak wanted to abduct the best and brightest from the planet. Oleg was both and didn't get abducted when he was at the White House.
      • In-setting wise maybe it's because Oleg is too big to fit in the standard matrix-style pods they have the people in? Though probably gameplay wise he wasn't included as they'd have to scale the out-of-simulation segments bigger in order to have him fit through doors and stuff without glitching or getting stuck and it wasn't worth the time or effort.

  • If Zinyak is powerful enough in the simulation to troll you while singing Biz Markie, abduct both Keith David and Kinzie, and more, why can't he just step in at anytime while you're fucking around with the simulation? I mean, wouldn't be as easy as a snap, crackle, pop? Surely Zinyak isn't that overconfident...?
    • I'm afraid he literally is that overconfident. Any genre-savvy antagonist would've snapped Boss's neck during their first encounter were they as strong as Zinyak and had all of his abilities. Kinzie pretty much summed up his character when she said, "Oh look, an alien with a superiority complex. Surprising." For goodness' sake, he's so overconfident that even up to the last few seconds of his life, he think he'll still win over the puny human that is the Boss.

  • What's the in-story explanation for why Zinyak keeps some people in simulations? Is it just because he likes to study and mess around with them?
    • It's to break his victims until they lose any will to fight back against him. Once that's done, he conscripts them into the Zin Empire.
    • He also kept Zach and Bobby, the announcers for the Prof. Genki gameshow series, due to Prof. Genki's Mind over Murder being his favorite show. He kept them due to them being an integral part of it.

  • What happened to the feature where the player could make choices that affected the game? It's teased at when the player chooses between ending hunger or cancer (I didn't expect that to impact gameplay or anything), but then it's dropped. It was a pretty cool feature in the third game and could have been improved in this one.
    • I think that was just in to make fun of how extensive it seemed to be in the third game.

  • Why is the simulated Cyrus Temple such a blatant sexist, when he showed no sign of it in the third game?
    • Because Zinyak programmed him like that to screw with Kinzie.
    • Also, Kinzie's idea of hell is living in the '50s, when she (and other women) pretty much had no power or say-so, Kinzie specifically doesn't have any tech to tinker with, and she has to wear the poodle skirt. Making Cyrus a walking epitome of sexism is just the cherry Zinyak put on her shitcake.

  • When you break Matt and later Gat out, you have to go into the Zin's ship to pick them up. So how does Shaundi, Pierce, King, and Asha just wind up in your ship?
    • Presumably the same exact way; Volition probably didn't want us to have to go through the 'mech-suit in Zin ship' thing four more times. That would get really old really fast.
    • Additionally, unlike Miller and Gat, your other homies are probably not in high-security areas, making it piss easy to go and grab them.

  • Two part question:
    • First, why do the Saints keep saying that they need to find Zinyak's mother ship when they're actually docked inside the mother ship?
    • Second, who in their right mind would take refuge in the mother ship's interior? It's as if they're begging to be spotted.
      • For the first, I have no clue. For the second, they're hiding in plain sight in the last place Zinyak would find them. Think of it like Han attaching the MF to the back of the Imperial Star Destroyer in The Empire Strikes Back. It wouldn't even occur to Zinyak that they would be anywhere but far, far away from him. Also, they likely have cloaking devices and other tools with which to hide their location from the radars.
      • They're not looking for Zinyak's ship, they're looking for him personally. Remember, from what we see of it, the Zin Mothership is a Planet Spaceship, so finding Zinyak's throneroom, let alone breaching his security, is a pretty big undertaking.

  • Why did they go with the model they used for Warren Williams when they already had a much better choice in the game files? The skinny bald black citizen in a suit.

  • Ben King's Super Homie image in the simulation looks completely different from the actual guy. I get that this is because of Rule of Funny and as a Shout-Out to The Matrix, but why doesn't anyone mention it in the game itself? It would be hard to miss.
    • Well, this is the same series in which the people ignore the fact that you can look like a completely different person at any time, so Ben King (or is it Keith David?) looking like Morpheus from The Matrix while in the simulation won't even be noticeable to them.
      • It's definitely King. Super Keith David is dressed like Lando Calrissian.

  • So... was Keith David brainwashed to betray the Saints, or did he voluntarily betray them and then get brainwashed when he tried to switch sides again, or what?
    • Likely voluntary, then he realized that betraying the Boss is a stupid thing to do.

  • If the boss was Nolan North this whole time, when did he have time for his acting career? And why would he have a problem with Kinzie blurting his name?
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