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  • Retloclive: Can't start this off without mentioning the greatest, and most infamous, DMoS this series ever had: Pell surviving a nuclear explosion. Here you have a side-character making a well-established Heroic Sacrifice to protect his home of Alabasta... and you just go and ruin it in the end by having him suddenly pop up looking at his gravestone for no justifiable reason as to why he is somehow still living-and-breathing. There's a reason people make fun of the Nobody Can Die nature this manga series has, and this was one of the primary causes of it. A Moment of Awesome, that could have also doubled as a Heartwarming Moment, has now suddenly lost all it had going for it, because Oda refused to legitimately kill anyone off at the time.
  • Anime King 1108: Nami's backstory was set up to be a massive Tear Jerker. However, they ruin it by showing a scene where Nami and her sister are being scolded for beating up two kids. When Nami tells Bellemere that they didn't like her tangerines, she just beat the crap out of them. What? I'm sorry, but as a victim of many kinds of physical and emotional abuse, that made me lose all sympathy for Bellemere when she died.
  • Ego Man 25: Now, I love this show, and I am so glad there aren't many bad moments, like maybe 4. This is the fourth one. Okay, in Drum Island, Nami is sick, and Luffy and Sanji are both taking her to the castle on the rock pillar. Now, skip a bit to when Nami lets Luffy use her coat. Even though it was expensive, you would think that Nami wouldn't mind if Luffy tore it up a bit, right? Wrong. She charges him for it. Luffy saved her life! It was a good thing she receives Character Development, not to mention being bloodied up in a later fight, because otherwise I don't think I could stand her nearly as much.
  • Falconwing: Usopp trying to run away from a fight with Sugar after she turned Robin, and all the dwarves into toys. A decade of character development, flushed down the toilet in the span of one Chapter.
    • Pan_2000: Good thing he more than redeemed himself later, it would be horrible otherwise.
  • Mhj0808: The way Doflamingo's executives were defeated in the Dressrosa Arc... namely, that all of them except Doflamingo himself and Senor Pink (and technically Gladius, who was hit at least once by Luffy before being worfed by Bartolomeo) were one-shotted chapter by chapter. Now, sure, of course the characters beating them looked cool doing it, so it was awesome in that sense... but to one hit KO these executives after building up their power for the entire Saga was immensely disappointing. Zoro vs. Pica was particularly aggravating, with Zoro pretty much just cutting up Pica's stone for about a year and a half in real world time Out of Focus in the background before finally beating him with one slash. What's extra awful is that these scenes created huge logic bombs with balancing the characters' strength. Don Chinjao gave Luffy a bit of a run for his money in the tournament, but was beaten by Lao G; but then Sai, who was one-shotted by Luffy earlier, comes in and one-shots Lao G in return. So... who's strong and who's weak here? There were several other cases like this one. Really, all of these one hit kills extends from the real issue; Dressrosa got a little too ambitious with the amount of new characters introduced and Oda basically forced himself to rush the side action.
    • Eddy1215: For that matter, I'm bummed that it wasn't the Straw Hats who took down the executives. From the moment he was introduced, based on his former bounty, we all figured that Doflamingo would be one of Luffy's most powerful opponents. Therefore, we could assume that his crew would be just as dangerous. Just as Mhj0808 said, after all the build up about the Donquixote Family and how powerful they were, we were lead to believe that they would be the crew's most difficult battles, even eclipsing the awesome fight with CP9, and that the whole crew would get some action which, unlike the battle with the New Fishman Pirates, would give them a real challenge. However, due to a Diabolus ex Machina that occurred midway through the arc, half the crew ended up having to leave the island. So, to have the executives defeated by non-Strawhat characters that were introduced in this arc (except for Bartolomeo who proved himself) is a letdown. That, combined with the fact that the Strawhats didn't get the Flame-Flame fruit, would be enough to make me write off the arc, if not for the fact that the fight between Luffy and Doflamingo is living up to hype.
  • Nightfurywitch: Thriller Bark is an arc that’s the embodiment of “meh” to me. While it’s one of my favorite arcs aesthetically and it does have two amazing moments at the end (“Nothing happened” and Luffy and Brook’s conversation, respectively), the rest of it isn’t anything too special. However, there is ONE very brief part of this arc that drives me insane. Sanji and Abalosm (the lion guy with the invisibility devil fruit) are about to fight. Sanji mentions how he’s always wanted the power of invisibility since he was young (which in retrospect seems like a prime setup for Germa 66/Vinsmoke foreshadowing), but instead he keeps saying he wants it so he can…peep on women. I’m sorry, the way so many people- even Oda apparently, keep mixing up Sanji’s chivalry with perversion is frustrating as hell as someone who likes him. I’m so glad Whole Cake was as good as it was, because I don’t think I could’ve handled Sanji being written this awfully for the rest of One Piece.
  • Cheapsunglasses: Ace's death. Not the whole drama part, but what brought it about. After so many deaths and such extreme effort, it finally looks like Ace is in the clear. In comes Admiral Akainu, but even then, Ace manages to give him the slip. So, what does Akainu do next? He basically says to Ace, "Your dad sucks." Now, this is a childish insult, and every other pirate around even points out how pathetic it is, but what does Ace do? He frikken' falls for it! Hook! Line! And Sinker! Ace, you're supposed to be a smart guy, and now you throw all that effort, all that sacrifice under the bridge for a childish insult?! Okay, yes, Whitebeard is a cool guy who can inspire such loyalty, but none of the other Whitebeard Pirates fell for it—hell, they even told Ace that it was a trap, and he ignored them! On top of that, Ace's extreme stupidity got Luffy in danger of being killed as well. For this troper, that was the dumbest act ever committed in this series! Ace deserved to die if he was willing to put Luffy in danger and throw away all that effort and sacrifice for something as petty as a childish insult!
  • DoctorSanity: When Rebecca ran away from her mother's killer. Played as a big new character in the Doflamingo arc, many were expecting big things from her. Being the basic champion of a colosseum (which had been explicitly shown to almost guarantee near fatal wounds to anyone who participated) and did it so well that she never even got a scar? Plus being hated universally by the citizens for being a direct descendent of a hated royalty (that did nothing really wrong) and (basically) dead parents because of it? She wanted revenge and she wanted to fight for it, so Rebecca was practically in the clear for good character arc. But the second where she is confronted by her mother's killer alone she turns into a sniveling crybaby and tries to run away! Desperately screaming out for help because she isn't strong enough. So her dad jumps in and, instead of working together, does all the work for her! Claiming that she doesn't need to soil her hands or something that would ruin her "purity". Rebecca spends the rest of the time looking from the sidelines and never accomplishing anything she set out to do this arc. Easily the biggest copout One Piece has ever done to make sure a woman doesn't need to really fight in the series.
  • That Bitter Tase: The attempt to make Arlong of all people sympathetic by revealing he was a victim of prejudice. No, Oda, I'm not buying it. A mass-murdering tyrant isn't going to be suddenly a tragic victim just because his childhood sucked. If anything, you made it much worse by revealing he's a blatant hypocrite! (So fishmen are often slaves... and yet what can you call the situation with Nami if not slavery by a different name?) The worst of Oda's attempts to soften a villain.
  • Subby P: That moment in the Dressrosa arc where we're supposed to believe that Sanji, who was previously willing to die for Zoro, is suddenly okay with abandoning him permanently on Dressrosa (and lying to Luffy about it) with the maniac ex-Warlord who is trying to kill the Straw Hats. Not only that, but he's willing to quit the crew because a woman he's known for two minutes cried at him. If he wants Zoro dead, why did he try to die for him back on Thriller Bark? Are we really supposed to believe that Sanji's loyalty buckles at the chance to get his dick wet? How can we possibly think of Sanji as a hero after this, when he's basically conspiring to kill his crewmate and then hide the murder from his captain?
  • Alangme: For me the biggest reason One Piece isn't as good as it used to be is without any doubt Busoushoku Koka. For starters, it's said it's a better version of normal COA Haki... that no one at all thought about using when fighting at Mariejois... Seriously? Not even the admirals or Whitebeard and his commanders?... You know, when you're fighting to save a comrade from certain death going full power to defeat your enemies isn't a bad idea; heck, even if, let's say, some of them were saving strength to avoid exhaustion and be able to run away with Ace, there was so many people present there it's practically impossible all of them had exactly the same idea! And after TS (Time Skip) it's shown that even a weakling like Bellamy can use it as nothing, for God's sake! That even shows it's not as difficult to learn, yet sometimes during the war some people (for example Akainu) talked about that as if it were extremely rare (some people even refered at it as the Haki of the Kujas, when that people came from New World and lots of people can use it easily).
  • deathnoteFNBOI58: One of the biggest moments in One Piece that pissed me off to no end was during the Fishmen Island Arc where Shirahoshi knew all along from her pet shark that Hody Jones was her mother's killer. She could've saved a lot of lives if she just revealed to the authorites who the killer was but no, what does she do? She keeps it secret! Why? Because she didn't want people to hate her mother's killer!! Seriously, when she revealed this, I hated her with every fiber of my being more than I did Hody because we all know Hody is going to be unlikable because he's the main villain of the Fishmen Island Arc. But for someone to pull off something so stupid made me wish Noah had crushed Shirahoshi right them in there because not only do we have a cry baby weakling, but also a dumbass who somehow makes LUFFY look like Albert Einstein!
    • Awesomekid 42: Seconded. Not only did keeping it secret nearly lead to the destruction of Fishman Island, the reason she gave doesn't even make sense. Shirahoshi's mother told her family not to hate the killer. But that doesn't mean she can't simply tell the truth about Hody's actions. Hating someone, and letting others know about their wrongdoings don't have to be the same thing. She could have still fufilled her promise to her mother while not letting a murderer get off scot free.
  • Great Keith: Sanji nearly dying from a massive nosebleed on Fishman Island. Sanji getting nosebleeds after having not seen a woman for two years was amusing, but using it as a serious dramatic moment and a plot point at that was just incomprehensible. Surely they could've used a far better method to convey the fishmen's hesitance at helping a dying human, like perhaps Usopp getting into a trap or something like that.
  • Doctor Ztar: The reveal that Pound survived the Whole Cake Island arc. We've gone right back into "Nobody dies in One Piece", after seemingly ending it with Ace and Whitebeard. Orochi not dying in the Wano arc was frankly to be expected after that. There's no longer any tension, because unless we're in a flashback, every single character is immortal.
  • Swiss666: The reveal of what Luffy's Devil Fruit truly is. Over time the story had already made Luffy pretty special between his father, his grandpa, Ace (which meant a connection to Gol D. Roger too), Sabo who went on to become a revolutionary leader, the support he got from Rayleigh, carrying the Will of D... And now it turns out he didn't take an "average" Fruit and made it special, no, what we called the Gum-Gum Fruit so far was super-special to begin with. He still has the merit of having unlocked its full potential, Gear 5 is undoubtedly cool and fun, and like other times in the past Oda managed to weave in elements of lore that first appeared so many years earlier; however all of this has further made Luffy less special, ironically. In retrospect it becomes hard to see him as that kid with an amazing heart and spirit who rose to greatness; he rather comes off as yet another Chosen One for whom fate paved the way at any turn. Next, I won't be surprised if we found out Luffy's mother was, or is, someone else very important.
    • Coda Fett: Expanding on this, the final act of Wano was definitely a low point in OP's storytelling because it really showed just how limited Oda is when it comes to fights. Kaido is strong. This is made abundantly clear because he's already beaten Luffy twice with almost no effort. Then, it's time for the big climatic finale, oh boy this is gonna be gre-Kaido won again. Luffy attaining Gear 5th feels like Oda admitting to a failure. It's the exact opposite of Goku becoming a super saiyan for the first time: Luffy gets a convenient powerup that was not being alluded to for the last hundred chapters or so, becomes a god and arbitrarily becomes stronger than the strongest man via toon force. And we're expected to believe that this is related to his rubber man powers. At the end of the day, what should've been a interesting contest of wit and skill became a punching contest even though Luffy knows that that won't work no matter how strong his Haki/Ryou is. This creates a huge problem for any conflict going forward (which we're already beginning to see in the Egghead arc) where Luffy appears to now be invincible because of the inherent weirdness of his powers; it's going to be hard to believe that any of the endgame bosses can stand against him.
    • Melancholy Utopia: I was already disappointed in the arc because it put so much focus on characters I didn't give a shit about (seriously, the samurai and their constant throbbing boner for Oden becomes annoying real fast) or Usopp, my favorite character, being the butt of the joke for almost everything he tries to do instead of the clever strategist he's previously been shown to be to defeat his foes. But this. This cemented the Land of Wano arc as nigh irredeemable in my eyes. Adding on to the above points, what retrospectively makes the whole thing worse which my brother pointed out is that it recontextualizes everything Luffy has ever done and accomplished. First off, if his fruit was a Zoan type and Shanks knew about its rarity, why in the everloving hell did he put it in an open box for just anyone to take?! And then just not tell Luffy the gravity of what it was that he'd just consumed? note  It makes zero sense. Second, sure, he ate a fruit and thus became powerful, but a power that looks weak on paper turned out to be useful because of Luffy's creativity, hard work and determination. He put his own spin on its capabilities which gave it character and made it special. The only saving grace I could see from this prime example of blunder writing is if it turned out Luffy unlocked this type of power because of his dedication, will and training. But even so... would it matter? It's still an Ass Pull that completely defecates on everything Luffy worked so hard for. Oda damn well better give a good explanation for this in future chapters, otherwise I can't give this series the same old love I've always given it for its clever foreshadowing. That's not to say I didn't love Gear Fifth, I thought it was fun to watch, but just how it was implemented into the story was utter ox manure.
  • Sor Pepita: My new Dethroning Moment is kind of risky because at the time of my writing this we simply don't know enough about Imu to make any kind of solid judgment about the character, but I'm taking my chances: I kind of hate the reveal that they destroyed Lulusia purely to test a new weapon in a conveniently near location. Horrific and nightmarish as it was, said destruction seemed to have a perfectly fine explanation: Sabo knew the World Government's biggest and darkest secret, and he happened to be in a island in which people sympathetic to the Revolutionary Army's cause had just taken control. There was no knowing how many Lulusians could have been told said secret, so it made perfect sense (to a Shadow Dictator without any morals, at least) to destroy the entire island as coldly and dispassionately, yet purposefully, as a surgeon extirpating a tumor from their patient's body. Hell, there even was a precedent for that sort of thing with the Buster Call that destroyed Ohara. But nope, apparently that's not what happened. What really happened is some cartoonishly evil person dropping a Fantastic Nuke into a kingdom full of innocent people because they couldn't be arsed to find a desert island to test it there. Uh, say what now? That's just stupid. Also, am I supposed to believe that someone capable of doing something so horrible for such a petty reason has been able to rule most of the world for presumably centuries without their mind-bogglingly pointless cruelty blowing up in their face Joffrey Baratheon-style? I don't care about how powerful Imu is or how well they have hidden their existence, I can't really buy that. In my opinion, this turns what had been one of the most wonderfully Nightmare Fuel-icious scenes in the whole series into some mustache-twirling farce. Well done, Oda.

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