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Insanity Prelude: Here and elsewhere on the wiki, would you all please remember to use spoiler tags? The game only just came out and not everyone can play through it in a day or two...

Jisu: Fixed a few things, but most of the spoilers were hidden...

Redkun: Someone went a little overboard with the spoiler tags, to the point where one entry was just one gigantic spoiler tag. Spoiler tagging the trope names is also going too far. I think someone needs to take a look at the Spoiler Policy and accept the fact that if they don't want anything spoiled at all, they need to stop coming to this page.

Jisu: Not my fault. I've actually been against the whole spoiler-tagging-the-trope-names since people started doing it a couple months ago, but was too lazy to take it up.

Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan: Messed a little with spoiler tags. The biblical meanings of "Joshua" are a You Should Know This Already kind of thing, so leave that one alone.

Lucid Seraph: I'm not quite sure that the "untwist" on this page counts as such. The definition of The Un-Twist suggests that it's a failed twist, that it's unintentional, whilst the part of the story in question I feel is COMPLETELY intentional. at the point when we "found out" the part of the memory which suggested Minamoto was Neku's real killer, not Joshua, I did believe Joshua. Possibly because I am a Xanatos Sucker, but meh: I bought it. Thus, when it was revealed that Joshua really WAS the killer in a crazy Xanatos Gambit (possibly even qualifying as a Xanatos Roulette, I'm not sure) I was actually very, VERY surprised. Not to mention the whole "BTW, I'm actually the composer!" thing.

Pata Hikari: Yeah, I have to agree, this is not The Un-Twist.

urutapu: Yeah, sorry, my fault. Can you think of what it'd be called, though?

Merus: I'm not sure that The Heartless counts as well - the game seems to say that Noise are attracted by negative emotion, but they're clearly separate entities made up from rogue half-thoughts (why, I'd gather, they look like bits and pieces of urban art stuck together).

Jisu: Since when is "the bonus chapter is a non-canonical Alternate Universe" a spoiler?

Jisu: The picture's kind of big...

Do you Fight In The Nude in this game or does the focus on fashion actually mean you can customize your sprite's appearance via clothing?

Redkun: The sprites remain the same no matter what clothes your character has equipped.

In Soviet Russia, you end with world!

Jisu: Removed

...including some choices which might well be deliberately dumb and over the top. Exhibit A: GET to BLING. Exhibit B: Everything that comes out of Beat's mouth.
- Consider the alternative.
  - Never said it was a bad thing. I couldn't stand Beat until I realized he wasn't totally serious, at which point he became hilarious. He does use "street tough" dialect in the Japanese, so I hear, but it's not nearly as pronounced, yo.
  - Some of his more touching moments actually become even more heartwarming simply because he’s only just divorced from comic relief, yo.

If you do not like your street-talking dumb skater jock sounding like a street-talking dumb skater jock, don't complain about the translation — he was always like that.

- Did you even read what you removed? No one's complaining about anything. Seriously.

Jisu: Still has nothing to do with the translators.

Caphi: Have you played both versions? They kicked up the style of the game in every way, and Beat very nearly got the brunt of it. Biito uses "omee", "nee", and the other slurred pronunciations that comprise street dialect, but that's about it. He doesn't splice "yo" (or the equivalent) into every other word he says. Beat's not the only target of the style amplification (GET, and the "run from battle" button, just for starters), but he's the most... um, noticeable. By far. And I know that the translators did all of that deliberately, to induce flavor. Hell, I was complimenting them for it (example was under Woolseyism, for FSM's sake). Lighten up.

Rogue 7: Shiki's real face is conveniently obscured in that cellphone picture, much like Ed and Al's father in the opening of Fullmetal Alchemist. All I can tell you is that she's got brown hair- the light obscures her face.

Dawnshadow: "Jerkass: Kitanji is a dick." Actually, I don't think he's that bad a guy, and definitely not enough of an asshole to be given that trope. Granted, he's not exactly kind to Neku, especially near the end of the game, but what do you expect— from his perspective, Neku's going to bring down Shibuya as the Composer's proxy, and he Has To Be Stopped, even though Neku's unaware of his own role. After all, this is the guy who's actually trying to save Shibuya, even if his method does suck. Maybe more of a WellIntentionedExtremist, almost starting to slide into a KnightTemplar near the end. (I hope I dropped the spoilers in the right place....)

Rogue 7: I'd give the title to Joshua.

Falcon Pain: If nothing else, he's a definite Karma Houdini. Threatening to destroy the area and everyone in it, going through all the motions necessary (including murder in cold blood), and then changing your mind does not a Heel–Face Turn make.

Does anyone else think Week 3 Day 1 was a blatant Kick the Dog moment for Kariya and Uzuki? It's one thing to do your job. It's a bit worse to go along with blatant loophole abuse. But when they show up at Neku's Belly of the Whale moment solely to rub salt in the wound, especially after he saved their "lives" earlier... it's just... aren't they supposed to be the likable ones?

"Uh, hello, villain?"
- Good point. Let's erase them.

Lucid Seraph: Guys, that "official art" of real Shiki isn't official, it's from a Japanese fansite. http://104th.net/

this one, in fact. which says that you can't use her art without permission >>;

urutapu: Snap, really? (That explains why the TWEWY wikia randomly stopped using it...)

Ronfar: Is Joshua a Jerkass or a SmugSnake?

Crapface: I took out *Guide Dang It!: The game never tells you which type of PP you need to evolve pins, so you need a guide in order to keep from screwing evolutions up by getting too much of the wrong types.

Also, each character has different reactions to eating different kinds of foods. If the character likes it, the Sync boost that he or she gets from it will increase; if he or she doesn't like it, the boost decreases instead. You're not given any hints for this, except for one instance where Joshua mentions that he likes Shio Ramen, and Shio Ramen naturally gives him the biggest Sync boost possible.

Because one You are told in game the 3 types of PP and pin evolution (you get the info from the wildkat cafe) two the food thing should be obvious

Okapian: But you're never told what types of PP evolve which pins, and considering that there are well over 300 different pins, many of which evolve in one or two ways, it's infeasible to get them all without a guide. And how is the food thing obvious? There are absolutely no hints as to which foods are preferred by which characters (except for the Joshua example listed). During one day, Joshua even asks Neku what his favorite kind of ramen is, and the player's selection doesn't affect how much Neku likes it. I'm putting Guide Dang It! back in.

crapface: the food thing is obvious because the characters react differently to the foods they like or dont like

Paul Miller: Say, Should we put Eri as a Characters? Yeah, She is Only in One Day, But really, she's Shiki's Best Friend and we can Always hide all the appearance trope(s)

Okay I did it Myself. Here:

Eri

Eri is Shiki's best friend. As Shiki has a picture of her and Eri on her phone and the Girl that Shiki is using her appearance in the Game. She also think Shiki make a Good Seamstress.

Plot-Based Photograph Obfuscation: She is seen her on that Shiki with the glare obscuring the friend or so we Think.
Hartman Hips: Eri seen to have a wide hips, and a narrow waist.
Heroes Want… Pink Heads?:Well as Red-is Pink anyway.
Stripperiffic: Any one would think that Skirt are a litter low or Small.
Nice Hat: She get Ones Good looking Cap, is maybe Handmade.
Expy: Some say that she was a Expy of Kairi with a Hat

If you think I was trying to Hard, Well I'VE DID IT.

Paul Miller: Say, Dude, is Sota a Surfer Dude or Narn? Dude. (Without the Pun: Say, is Sota a Surfer Dude or Not?)

Tinweasel: Okay, the final entry in Fridge Brilliance is stumping me. The ____Line pins raise to my mind Armored Core: Silent Line (with the title being the radius protected by a swarm of Kill Sats raining death from above on anything that enters), but could the person behind that line please expalin the other two?

Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan: Educated guesses: it is already stated that D+B = Ox. Bulls and Oxen throw things with their horns.... "Couture" (if I recall my Project Runway correctly) is something very fancy, made to order, and completely handsewn. Couture dresses are in theory unique because of how they are made; so are random patterns, in theory.

Er; coming back to this page after an age and readded the entry, hopefully the way it's phrased now makes it much more clear.

PMiller1: Say is thay is a Trope, That have some to do with Shiki being in her Best Friend Body? Because I want to add that Trope on her Characters.

WallofIllusion: Regarding whether or not walls can be broken by brute force... Beat doing it is questionable, but I think it's pretty heavily implied that Taboo Sho can do it. When Neku and Beat come across the walls he's gotten through (leading to Udagawa and Cat Street), they're surprised at the state the walls are in, implying that that's not normally what happens when a wall gets taken down. And I mean, you even see the walls. They're pretty flat-out broken.

PMiller1: You know, Something just hit me, Shiki in day 6, she was a bit quietin that day and that without the act and her Real From is well an Meganekko with Shy appearance, So do that make her a Shrinking Violet?

Insanity Prelude: Kariya's tough? Am I the only one who had more trouble with Uzuki? (Although yeah, in-universe he's supposed to be the more powerful one. On that note, I wonder what animals they and the Def March guys would have as Cantus forms, if they had them.)

KrisMahai: In the summary of the game, there's a Pothole linking a description of Neku to Troubled, but Cute. Reading the description, the trope doesn't really fit Neku. I took Troubled, but Cute and replaced it with Emo Teen, because it fits much better, but you can change it back if you want.

KrisMahai: Me again. Lots of Natter to be removed. I'll put it on here as I go, with the section it's removed from.

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Alternate Character Interpretation:

Nope, he's the guy who asks all the questions the player is asking during Another Day... just WTF is going on here, exactly? Also, he has "emo urges". In the end, though, he's like "This was the best day evarrr". In fact, Another Day is more like an Alternate Game Interpretation. The characters (well, Rhyme, Beat, Neku, Joshua, and Shiki, at least) would presumably act like the way they do if they didn't get caught up in The Game... or not. In retrospect, Another Day is a huge Mind Screw, especially since It takes place in another dimension and the characters are not the same characters you played in before the New Game Plus.

Americanitis:

Extremely averted. To the point where the only changes are the removal of honorifics and the names being flipped to western order (Sakuraba Neku —> Neku Sakuraba). With the exception of the Tin Pin logo and a few billboards that were originally in English, every single scrap of text that isn't in a text box is kept in Japanese.
- There is one change that was made for the American version-the pin art and names of four pins that were named after Japanese gaming magazines were changed to being four pins that seem slightly out of place, such as the Daruma and Fuji pins.

Anti Poop-Socking:

The third of these three types also requires you to stop playing the game and put your system on standby. Or get out and interact with actual friends, or just buy a second DS. (Transmitting DS Demos on the Wii Promo Channel will be recognized as a second DS, btw.)

Bait-and-Switch Boss:

Happily accepted by Beat and many players. Neku and Shiki speculate that they may have to fight the person who killed him, which isn't good. They don't, because it's Joshua and he's the Composer. The hint is that Minamimoto is found dead under a vending machine and other various objects that Joshua summons using his cell phone in battle. It's also ironic, because Minamimoto liked making statues of junk and he himself was crushed under a pile of junk. However, the characters in the game don't catch the hint.
- Considering that his body hasn't disappeared, like many other Reapers and Players upon their demise, he may simply be sleeping. Or dying. Either way, it grants Neku and Co. the opportunity to snag his hat.

Bilingual Bonus:

The lyrics to the Japanese version of "Twister" make a hell of a lot more sense than the English version.

Crossdresser:

Unfortunately, it gave the people who make Rule34 some new ideas, though they probably would've done it anyway...
Hell, a dress and umbrella from Lapin Angelique give JOSHUA bonuses. Not Shiki. Joshua.

Fridge Brilliance: Too long. Remember, most of the information is supposed to go in the trope article itself. I didn't remove all of it.

And to add to the fun, your partners are in this same approximate order: Shiki's best with Mus Rattus/D+B, Joshua works best with Dragon Couture/Pegaso, and Beat's brand is Wild Boar. Too bad this didn't carry to the Pins and Pork City floors.

More Fridge Brilliance: D+B's pins involve picking something up to throw it around. Dragon Couture throws around the obstacles randomly. Wild Boar's __ Line pins cause damage as death from above: they match the preferred brands of your partners described above and their main methoid of attack.
Even More: The names of several bosses (Ovis Cantus, etc.) translate as "Singing _____," with the latin name of whatever animal they are. Bonus Boss Panthera Cantus, aka Hanekoma has the genus name for several big cats, including lions and tigers, which he takes the form of.

Guide Dang It!:

And while we're on the subject, how are you supposed to know that, on week 3 day 3, saying "no" to a game of Reaper Creeper will open the Shadow Ramen restaurant?
- Because it's the "right" (ethical) decision to make in that situation.
Good luck getting all the Secret Reports without a guide.

Ho Yay:

Also in Another Day, when describing Joshua's Tin Pin talents, they announce, "this kid's the Roy G. Biv of Tin Pin strategy! When he sees a hole, he knows how to fill it."

Hurricane of Puns:

"Welcome to my kitchen!"
- These puns aren't even remotely good. See the "Pudding of their doom!" example above. *facepalm*

Impossibly Cool Clothes: Joshua just wears a nice buttoned shirt and pair of jeans, and Beat just wears a tank top and khaki shorts. This can be justified, though, since Beat probably doesn't give a damn about fashion.

Also justifiable in that Beat starts with the lowest bravery; he just can't try on the more outrageous clothes at first.
He can't even wear his own hat.

I Will Wait for You: Removed cause it doesn't apply.

There's even a girl present around where Shiki would have been waiting, in later weeks, who isn't entirely sure why she's there. She even thinks she's forgetting something very important, and looks a bit like Shiki does in the ending. This troper thought it could have been her, somehow.

Serious Business:

Not to mention fashion; depending on what area of Shibuya you're in, certain clothes give bonuses or minuses.
- Which actually becomes a major, roundabout plot point.
The fact that most of the character's powers come from pins counts as this. You know it's serious business when your teeny metal pin allows you to summon huge walls of fire or blast lightning or move SU Vs with your mind or...

Theme Naming:

A bit of a Bilingual Bonus with the musical theme here, too. "Cantus" is latin for 'singing', thus giving the Game Masters names like 'Singing Lion', 'Singing Sheep', 'Singing Dragon', and so on.
Also, the names of the various pig noise are directly based off of different kinds of dances.

What Do You Mean, It's Not Symbolic?: Good lord, people. We're supposed to keep things short.

Joshua:
- The biblical figure Joshua created the laws of Israel. His name is also written in katakana as Yoshua, which is strangely close to "Yeshua," the Hebrew-Aramaic version of "Jesus."
- During his Beam Spam attacks, Joshua dangles in the air with his arms outstretched in a crucifixion pose.
- Joshua is able to pull strings by communicating with a mysterious and more powerful benefactor.
- Joshua is again in a crucifixion pose right before Kitaniji assimilates him into his Draco Cantus form.
- Joshua's usual Composer self is that of a partially ascended God; he lowered himself by taking human form to become part of the Game.
Hanekoma:
- Hanekoma can communicate with anyone, but is only allowed to talk to Joshua.
- Hanekoma is able to covertly inspire mortals through art. For the Satan bit, the Udagawa tag mural has the cat's eyes as an inverse cross and pentacle in the Japanese version—they're changed to simple stars in the international version.
- Hanekoma actually works to sabotage Joshua, resulting in Joshua very much resenting his "father" during The Stinger.
- Towards the end of sabotaging Joshua, Hanekoma teaches Minamimoto the Dangerous Forbidden Technique. This actually causes him to "Fall", but he's hopeful that because it's out of Love, he'll be forgiven.
- Also, nevertheless, Hanekoma rescues Joshua when he's forced to Jump into the Another Day universe to avoid Minamimoto's attack.

Remember, the majority of information is supposed to go into a trope page. Please don't go reverting it without discussion, as this took a long time.

Jaabi: Bold Inflation isn't the right trope for the concept described. Isn't there a trope for words that are colour coded in video game dialogue?

Enlong: May I suggest that we add "TWEWY" and "WEWY" as alt titles for the game? The former is used mainly by the fans, but the second is the official acronym, used in the game's manual.

Keltena: Could someone please, please explain to me how Joshua is a White-Haired Pretty Boy? His hair is pretty clearly light brown, so this confuses me to no end.

Marshmello: I agree with you there, but it seems much of the fandom is convinced that his hair is silver or grey (or green >__>). ~~He isn't that much of a pretty boy, either.~~ Outside of the Composer (who's just a White Pretty Boy), I don't think that TWEWY has any specific examples of this trope. Joshua would be a better example of Blond Guys Are Evil if we're troping him based on hair colour.
Kris Mahai: If we're splitting hairs, his hair's pretty close to Light Ash Blond. So yes, Marshmello's right. Speaking strictly of colors, though, on a RGB scale Joshua's hair is pretty close to gray. That's probably why most people just say it's silver/white.

The Tambourine Man: I've seen it quoted a few times on this site, but what context led to the, "Now. Pants. Off." line?

Marshmello: Shiki says it to Neku when she sees that a button on his shorts is loose. Neku doesn't really care, but Shiki is overcome by a mad urge to sew it back on properly, so she forces him to take them off. Neku learns his lesson to take better care of his clothes.

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