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What the frell is this trope supposed to be?

This Troper: Pulled the following example

An example

for a reason.

Other Troper: Put it back, for probably the same reason.

Sci Vo: I almost added Deconstruction in the "See also", but then I just added this to the Meta-Concepts category and put it under deconstruction there.

Looney Toons: In what way is this intended to be different from Trope Entry Template?

Sci Vo: I think that [Trope Name] is about self-aware genre deconstruction through genericization, cleverly giving an example by deconstructing our trope entries that way (instead of just giving a description).

Tanto: This serious discussion has ruined my chance to make a "Complaint that this trope is too similar to Trope X" joke. I hope you two are proud of yourselves.

Sci Vo: Sincere apology that humorously ignores the sarcasm. Faux consolation using trite phrase, actually setting up another joke.

Kizor: HA! Guess what I've been planning since probably June, only it's still half-completed because I've kept being distracted by my ~17 other projects and repeatedly hitting brick walls in writing it down? No matter - yours is better, and first is first. Could someone nuke the YKTTW launched to The Title Of The Trope?

Morgan Wick: As it stands, one has to read the YKTT Ws to know that this is an actual trope and not a repeat of Trope Entry Template.

Pteryx: ...or mouse over the links and read the real examples at the bottom.

Pteryx: OK, I've pushed in a bit more evidence that this is a trope, not an official template for writing tropes.

I request, BTW, that the example from Trope Entry Template remain the final one at all times.

Fire Walk: I'm tempted to add Shoehorned Inappropriate Avatar Reference at some point, but I'm worried about ruining the flow of this.

Adam850: Inevitable comment that the Avatar reference is shoehorned in.

Deus Ex Biotica: Arrogant inquiry about the relevance of major examples.

Ununnilium:

Example consisting entirely of a personal comment or question which qualifies as Conversation In The Main Page.
- Reply to the above, extending it into Thread Mode.

Pteryx: Removing the Dinosaur Comics Wiki entry example, as it's more of an instructional thing than a genericization.

Ununnilium:

Example(s) from one or more of the following: Star Trek, Doctor Who, The Simpsons or Buffy The Vampire Slayer.

See the reference to Trope Overdosed.

Pteryx: Observation that there are now two identical examples referencing Trope Overdosed: The Series. Request for opinions as to whether this is an appropriate thing to have duplicated in the context of this trope.

Ununnilium: ...no, it's pretty much perfect, IMHO. XD

Air Of Mystery: Can I publicly state that any "parody" that does this is being incalculably lazy?

Duckluck: I'm with you on general principle, but I still find this page hilarious.

Air Of Mystery: Quite. You wrote the answer to my original question, yes?

Loustar Jogger: Maybe it will be more obvious that this is an actual trope if we add it to Dialog and/or Insult Tropes. Those would be the most fitting places I'd see it going. Also, if there's any possible way to Pot Hole the trope index markers at the bottom to read "Trope Category", that would be the funniest thing ever.

Fast Eddie: Bitching about grammar, too many quotes, picture size, or natter, followed by ellipses...

something pulled

Specialist290: Request to know if a certain example is suitable for the page.

Said example referred to above.

Ununnilium:

This example also requires a long paragraph of setup, giving a bunch of background information and so on that make it much less punchy than the other example someone else has thought of."''

"However, This Troper watches the show seventeen hours a day."

The problem with this is, it is less punchy.

"It's like some kind of [Trope Name]. Odd."

Yu-gi-oh: The Abridged Series

"Hilariously scathing denunciation."

Ben 'Yahtzee' Croshaw

Obligatory [insert trope-tastic series or persons who create things that use a lot of tropes found on almost every major trope page] reference here.

All covered by Trope Overdosed: The Series.

Servitor_2152: Suggestion that this article is Made Of Win.

GG Crono: Enthusiastic agreement.

Eponymous Kid: Reaffirmation of previous sentiment that this article is wracked with duality and requires a split. Query regarding whether the page thinks itself to be a Just for Fun parody of tropes in general, or an actual trope itself? Imperative statement claiming that a decision must be made on the subject, and that it cannot be both.

Tanto: Confirmation that it is intended to be the latter, but that the former is necessary to demonstrate it.

Eponymouskid: Okay, this is ridiculous. The page (and tropers) are more interested in it as a Just for Fun parody of tropes than an actual trope, and the page's structure prevents examples from being explained, which is usually discouraged.

iTroper: Suggestion to reverse the order in which the fake and real examples are shown, so that real examples are at the top of the page and fake ones underneath that.

Eponymous Kid: I think it should be split (not that I can think ofa new title), and that the "actual" page shouldn't be a Self-Demonstrating Article.

Ninjacrat: I'm feeling contrary. I'd keep it as it is, but with the mammoth list of injokey 'examples' culled until the real examples are above the fold. It's a good joke, and the self-demonstrating parts wouldn't have anywhere to exist if it were split.

(later: I did it! You fools can't stop me now!

Old examples preserved for posterity

Example from an obscure work at or near the top only because it was a favorite of the Trope Launcher.
Example from a Shakespeare play which allows an editor to declare it one of The Oldest Ones in the Book.
Example without any explanation.
Example that will be repeated further down the page by an overeager fan of the series.
Two words: Iconic example.
Example. Just... Example.
Anime example from a show you've never heard of, three-quarters of which is shrouded in spoilers that everyone will just look at anyway, because they either have already seen it or aren't ever going to see it, making the spoilers useless, but which, since you don't understand the character relationships, will be meaningless to you anyway.
Example of an aversion that seems completely unnecessary and adds nothing of substance to the entry.
Example from Redlinked Show You Have Heard Of
Example of Lampshade Hanging, subversion, and/or deconstruction from a Discworld book.
A lone Real Life example erroneously declared as Truth in Television which we are not making up.
Surprise trope example from mythology.
Example that this editor is shocked, surprised, or astounded hasn't been mentioned yet. You've probably never heard of it.
Example that begins with "This is not actually an example, but..."
Examples from four more Trope Overdosed series.
Professional Wrestling example.
Example from Trope Overdosed: The Series.
- Comment that the series in question does not exist, despite the fact that no one cares what the writer thinks.
Example that dates back before what was originally thought to be the Ur-Example, making this trope Older Than They Think.
Example from a Sci-Fi series/film in which the trope is part of an especially creepy case of Soylent Green.
Example from Neon Genesis Evangelion or Metal Gear Solid 2 with an obligatory Pot Holed reference to either Gainax Ending or Mind Screw.
Example involving character you would never suspect, the Big Bad in a particular Story Arc of a very popular show.
Obscure example from an editor with a photographic memory.
Pot Hole'd Take That.
Example festooned with seemingly random and unnecessary pot holes, just because the troper is trying to be cute.
Example, followed by several
- Lines
- Of
- Natter
- That
- Really
- Belong
- Here
This trope is somebody's sexual fetish. The troper cataloguing this fact will probably reveal more about themself than you needed to know. Or So I Heard...
Four more examples from a single Trope Overdosed series.
- Four more examples from a single Trope Overdosed series.
- Four more examples from a single Trope Overdosed series.
- Four more examples from a single Trope Overdosed series.
Strange example from a well-known and highly-praised series that is a triple... no, quadruple... wait, no. A quintuple subversion.
An obscure example from a series that is either aimed at a very young demographic, or is so bad that it's either good or horrible, and may be a guilty pleasure of many people. Or so they heard.
Example that is fairly straightforward yet contains a gratuitous This Troper.
An example in which the trope is subverted, played straight, averted and inverted in the span of a single episode. No further details are given.
~~Badly-speld example, endig with n emoticon. :0~~ It will be deleted, or just fixed.
Example that probably uses [{IdiotBall bad coding]] by ''accident.'
Horrifying example from a piece of Fan Fiction.
Example from Redlinked Show You Have Never Heard Of, but the title of which prompts you to look it up on Google or The Other Wiki.
Example that is a repeat of a previous example.
Example written with enough excessive detail to render it unintelligible to anyone who has not actually seen the show.
Example of mocking the trope in a Series: The Abridged Series.
Example that just creeps you the fudge out.
~~Real Life example: This Troper's personal testimony~~. Deleted.
- ~~Restored with Justifying Edit~~. Deleted again.
Inevitable music example from an artist you either hate or have never heard of.
Rather spurious example from Real Life, revealing the editor's ideological bias and bordering on Troll material.
Example that steps on a fanboy's toes.
- Justified because.
Example from some redlinked anime called Niponis no Seliz Nam Dispet Prasunss wa Titer no Angris, the title of which you can't make heads or tails of because you don't know Japanese.
An example from a series with an Entry Pimp, allowing you to know who added it without even looking at the history.
Spoiler covered example from a series you've been following that lacks the volume or episode it appears in, leading you to believe that you've passed this spoiler and that You Should Know This Already. You haven't, and so you've been spoiled! Curse you, TV Tropes!

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iTroper: Thanks, Ninjacrat! Okay, I've finally made a solution that'll keep everyone from bitching about this whole thing. The words "similarly named trope" on [Trope Name] and [Trope Name] Injokes now lead to each other, disguised cleverly as a meta-reference to the "...not to be confused with..." phrase. Now we can have jokes AND an actual trope. So Yeah.

I think that's a brilliant idea. I also think that the Trope Name Injokes Discussion page should follow along the same jokes, and any serious discussion of either page should just go here.

ETA: I copied some of the examples from this page over. There were a few that I was a little uncertain of, though.

Tanto: I've noticed that a lot of the jokes on this page are being repeated. Cleanup begins now.

iTroper: Well I've noticed you deleted a joke that was not a repeat. "Example From Redlinked Show You Have Heard Of" is not the same as "Example From Redlinked Show You Have Never Heard Of, but the mention of which prompts you to look it up on Google or The Other Wiki".

In other words, the first joke is for a show you know about that doesn't have a page. The second is when you know nothing of the show and it has no page, so you search for info elsewhere.

Thanks a lot, now I have to go through your changes and see what needs to be reverted.

Tanto: I can't decide whether it's funny or sad that this parody page has become subject to the same sorts of problems the regular pages have: An overeagerness to get one's own stuff on there, to the extent that repetition and overwrought jokes and references become distressingly common. All we need is some honest-to-God natter and behold! A "real" TV Tropes entry!

Pteryx: Pleasant surprise at the results of the split. Insistence that this trope works fine as a Self-Demonstrating Article now that the [Trope Name] Injokes are out of the way. Support for preserving the identical body text for the two resulting tropes.

Name of Poster: Disagreement with last sentence of previous poster. Request addition of single sentence that actually explains the trope. Disgust at having to click an example to find out.

Man Without A Body: Removed the following [from [Trope Name] Injokes], for being covered under Trope Overdosed.

Lampshade Hanging from Order Of The Stick.
Alleged Deconstructed Trope from Neon Genesis Evangelion
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
Avatar The Last Airbender example involving Zuko. time=1222990350

Kakurady Drakenar: This trope is about "parody via genericization", but there are some examples listed here that does not fit that definition, and instead are self-describing works including xkcd and the opening song of that show.

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