We've been discussing it in PM. I've given my points (which haven't been directly countered). I've only removed it because of the reasons I've listed in my edit summaries. Lance Omikron hasnt done that, and even through PM he's overthinking it. I want the example kept off
I've been backing off a little only in hopes of letting tensions die down, mainly because this is a really stupid thing to get worked up over. I'll include the P Ms that have gone between me and Tiggle so others know some more about what's been going on:
Edit: Sorry, I didn't know that posting P Ms was in poor form.
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Ahem, mate... PMs are not to be disclosed without consent of the party the PMs come from.
eta: On second thought, the bold was probably unnecessary.
Edited by SeptimusHeap "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Sorry again about the posting PMs thing. I didn't realize it was a no-no, but probably should have.
Anyway, Tiggle has tried to explain his justification, but I'm having trouble following his logic. If I'm understanding him right, he thinks that Sentai Rangers aren't an "error" because there's nothing in canon saying they aren't out there somewhere. Personally, I think there's more evidence that production just isn't bothering to photoshop the footage it inherits from Sentai (the Gosei Card footage is a good example). If the show does give an explanation later, then we can label it a subversion.
He also explained to me that he takes issue with referring to "Casey" because we don't know if it's Casey in the Jungle Fury suit. Which, fine, when I wrote it I put "Casey" because "Red Jungle Fury Ranger" is kind of a mouthful. I don't mind if that part changes.
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I've explained my justifications rather well. You just don't read them completely. The fact that you call it a failure because of nitpicking is the stupid part.
I have read them. The thing is, they seem to rely primarily on Wild Mass Guessing rather than the actual official information that is available to us. The available information is that the plan is to reshoot and edit the legend war so that it would only include Rangers that Power Rangers has adapted. While we haven't seen a lot of all-new legend war footage, we've most definitely seen instances of edited Gokaiger footage in the dream sequences that we've seen thus far.
Your argument seems to be that the appearance of Sentai Rangers in this edited footage isn't an error because there isn't anything in-story suggesting that they won't be introduced later. Thing is, there's absolutely nothing that suggests that they will be introduced either. And if Saban really was planning on introducing sentai rangers, why would they even bother editing the existing Gokaiger footage in the first place?
It's really not a stretch to think that the intent was to completely edit out the sentai-exclusive rangers, and that any appearance of them in Power Rangers is simply an editing slip-up. On the other hand, your theory appears to rely on several different assumptions that are impossible to definitively prove or disprove at this time, and outright ignores the available information. It comes down to Occam's Razor: With all else being equal, choose the simplest explanation. And to me, the editors making a mistake is the simpler explanation.
Also, I think you're taking the "failure" part of Stock Footage Failure a little too seriously. It's just a trope name, not an insult. You could call it "Stock Footage Slip-Up" and it would be exactly the same.
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Tiggle, if you feel you explained yourself well enough, would you mind sharing those explanations here for the benefit of the people you haven't PMed? (Also, you complain about "Casey" vs. "Red Jungle Fury Ranger" and you say I'm nitpicking?)
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You're forgetting that the Legend War was the first thing to be shown in Megaforce. There's no discrepancy if there's nothing to compare it to in-season. How many times has Zordon's Master Plan been Power Rangers's ultimate retcon? This is an established plot point. Zordon once claimed there were no other Rangers besides the Mighty Morphin. The only teams who hadn't had their powers created yet were SPD and Time Force. This means ZORDON. Also, Saban's cheap. Well-known fact. It's not much of a stretch to think they'd budget bust on an actual Ranger War and not a friggin dream/premonition thingy. It's not implausible to think it wasn't filmed yet. You're the ones Wild Mass Guessing. Dreams stretch reality. Premonitions can be off. I never said the Sentai Rangers have to be given proper introduction nor will they. Leave it for what it is. I've read the trope page over and over and what you call literal is stil the most accurate interpretation.
- "How many times has Zordon's Master Plan been Power Rangers's ultimate retcon?" I'd say once, maybe twice. The Alien and Space Rangers. (And the Galaxy Rangers, if you buy the Fanon.) None of the others have any connection to Zordon.
- "The only teams who hadn't had their powers created yet were SPD and Time Force." Miss Fairweather, Hayley, and Dr. K would like to have a word with you. So would RJ and his supposed black market contacts. I could go on.
- "Also, Saban's cheap. Well-known fact. It's not much of a stretch to think they'd budget bust on an actual Ranger War and not a friggin dream/premonition thingy." Right, so the dream footage is still wrong.
The Lightspeed powers, the Dino Gems, and the Jungle Fury powers existed for thousands of years before being used by the iteration. Dr. K is in another dimension. So no, you really can't go on.
The Dino Gems, Jungle Fury powers, and others did exist before. But not as Ranger powers, and Zordon didn't plan for any of them. And where are you getting that Lightspeed powers existed for thousands of years?
OK now you're just twisting my words. Those are separate points. Please stop doing that.
While I'm all for giving the benefit of the doubt, and it could be potential foreshadowing, at the moment it clearly falls under Stock Footage Failure.
Maybe eventually there will be a grand unifying sequence explaining it, but at the moment it's an out of place character and it breeds confusion.
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We're getting off-track. I believe the main question to be answered is "Is there an explanation given for the presence of the Sentai Rangers, or evidence that an explanation will be coming?" Currently, no, there is not.
This example is being edit warred over. Please don't readd without discussing it first.
- Stock Footage Failure: Similarly, the recurring footage from Gokaiger's Legend War includes heroes from Super Sentai that have never been adapted for Power Rangers. Most are way in the background where they're not as noticeable, or have been edited to make them less conspicuous, but "Stranger Ranger" clearly shows the Red Dairanger fighting behind Casey.
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