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I looked around, and I cannot find a good source for this. Should this be cut?
Does the bit about laser corrective surgery really work? Even now, in modern day, there are many, many different types of vision problems it cannot treat.
The "One quote is enough" rule. Could we break it if the reference is an in-universe event within the work?
No, but you could add that and shift the current to the Quotes tab instead.
Technically, science doesn't "march on," it advances in fits and starts. Scientists come up with theories and then hold on to them as if their lives depended on it even as evidence starts piling up that disproves them. Then eventually either the older generation dies out or the scientific community is forced to see that new theories are needed and the commonly held theories change.
It's a very nonlinear process and it is only after time has passed that we (and textbook authors) look back and tell the story as a history of scientific progress. (See Thomas Kuhn, paradigms, and philosophy of science.)
I can't tell whether or not this is reflected in the description of this trope since it doesn't explicitly state that paradigms were overturned and now seem absurd, but the title is a little misleading.
I read someone saying on the main page that Oviraptorids did not steal or eat eggs at all. If they didn't steal eggs, what did they eat? If you say they were vegetarians and never ate meat, you are a fucking idiot. For those of you who don't know, a lizard was found in the body cavity of an Oviraptorid fossil and two Byronosaurus skulls were discovered in an Oviraptorid nest.
They ate meat. They did not eat eggs. Simple answer.
Good heavens, someone was in a bad mood last night.
In the Mass Effect blond hair example, the prequel novel Revelation mentions on page 15 that the various races and ethnic groups have become more heavily mixed by the time of the novel. (I remember the novel also mentioning blond hair dying out, but I don't remember what page.) I'm wondering if that sort of racial mixing could even theoretically have an impact on the frequency of people having blond hair, or if the whole idea of blond hair dying out is completely ridiculous.
Anybody else think science needs to stop marching for a second and get out the map and compass since it clearly has no idea where it's going?
I think you're stretching the metaphor beyond the point where it still makes sense.
Of course science doesn't know where it's going. If they knew where the end was, they wouldn't need to look for it.
I guess what I mean is, right now it's statistically impossible to hope that anything currently 'known' will still be 'fact' in the future. Depending on field, it might be a year or a century.. but we keep on relying on whatever the current facts are, treating em like the truth.. holding ourselves so superior to our forebears..
I see the point you're trying to make — that some people might be treating the science of our forefathers and ancestors as "primitive" and talking about how smart we are today, whereas our children and their children might say the same things about scientific ideas that are commonly taken for granted today?
I know how old this post is but this needs saying.
No scientist ever claims that we know everything (no good one, anyway). But we do know a lot more than we did even 50 years ago.
We are superior to our fore-bearers when it comes to knowledge. The fact that scientific facts we think we know now may be disproven in the future doesn't change that. In fact, science is itself the process of coming up with theories based on experimentation and observation and trying to disprove them in the intrest of finding the truth.
Pulled the following:
This is just being facetious, the author obviously didn't think there were Martians playing catch with robots.
These examples both rely on technologies—human genetic engineering and stem cell therapy—that aren't mature even now. More tellingly, the word “organlegger” has been De Fictionalized!
This isn't the right trope, maybe… Technology Marches On? I'm not sure whether this falls into People Sit On Chairs or not.
Why was the reference to atomic mass and atomic number linked to Completely Missing the Point? Those are perfect counterexamples, as is atomic physics and so forth. In fact, the change from "atomic" to "nuclear" is simply restoring the proper terminology — "atomic" is different from "nuclear" and the conflation of the former with the latter was rather jarring. Going from "nuclear" to "quantum" is a case of Not Doing The Research.
Veganopia. In a setting before the advent of vitamin supplements, humans can't live on a vegan diet; vitamin B12 is only found in foods of animal origin. But the trope was still very common before the 1950s (19th-century occultism describes the Atlanteans as vegetarians.) and remains with us to this day.
This is confusing vegan with Vegetarianism. while totally cutting out animal by products has only be possible fairly recently there have being plenty of pre-20th societies that have been vegetarian to one degrade or the other. Either because of for religious or simply economic reasons.
Discussion in the main page.
Thanks for moving this here... The greenhouse effect is a highly politicized topic, and I felt it was better to have a discussion in the page than set off a very bitter edit war.
The Doctor is pointing out that what's going on in front of you is by definition not impossible, it may just be beyond your theories to explain. Whether or not Time Lords understand bumblebee flight is irrelevant, what matters is that human science at the time didn't, and the Doctor is in a position to know that.
It's an urban legend, and has been traced back to 1934, which is before 1977, so I'm putting it back. Edit: Probably should go in Hollywood Science instead.
The "human science at that time didn't" explanation doesn't work, anyway, because the serial is set in the future. If bumblebee flight is considered impossible at that time, it must be because they've forgotten stuff we know now.
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