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Sep 24th 2015 at 10:49:03 PM •••

I think the Fair Folk (Dark Elves) should replace the Eldritch spot while the Eldritch replaces the Fallen spot.

Jan 7th 2011 at 11:43:31 AM •••

I think I'd already removed this and it came back, so I'm putting it up for discussion (while removing it again). I think this is just a case of shoehorning:

  • Harry Potter. You have to squint a bit, but it can work:
    • Antagonist wizards, including Voldemort and much further down the Sliding Scale of Antagonist Vileness, Peter Pettigrew, the Malfoys, and Professor Snape, mix the "humanoid" and "fallen" role.
    • Werewolves count as "the fallen", they're literally cursed humans, although a subversion as we meet the (so far only) non-antagonistic one first.
    • Dementors are the obvious "eldritch" race. Ghostlike, faceless, almost impossible to kill, but easily stunned / repelled.
    • Trolls and dragons fit the "savage" role: big, strong, not that bright.
    • Giant spiders build webs that can act as traps, but use Zerg Rush as their main attack. Both typical Crafty traits.

Dementors are Eldritch, trolls are Savage. Other than that, if you reason it like this, you can fit anything into any mould. Evil wizards are not a race, and in general these groups aren't all the same kind of races and not at all the kind of group that appears in the classic examples. And especially, werewolves have nothing to do with the description of the Fallen, no matter how they may be "literally" fallen.

Aug 13th 2010 at 6:42:09 PM •••

Umm ... no, they're not.

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