^AFAIK, it can both refer to genre or content.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
How about this, then: if a work has sex in it for the sake of having sex in it, it's porn. If the sex is there for a reason, it's "erotica" (i.e. explicit content/adult content/mature audiences/etc.).
That is one possible definition, but by no way the only one.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I too am bothered by the conflating of all "explicit content" with "porn". Yes, all porn is explicit content but not all explicit content is porn. While porn is difficult to define (as in I know it when I see it), the way the term is most often used these days is for explicit material that is intended to arouse the viewer. Explicit sexual content not intended for that purpose (even if does so anyways, at least for some) is not porn. As far as the distinction between porn and erotica goes, there is the old saying "what you like is porn, what I like is erotica". This simply means people who view porn as lowbrow or "bad" will try and redefine explicit content they like as erotica, due to that label carrying with it the connotation that the work is more artsy/highbrow, which is highly subjective. What this all means is that we can't simply say that explicit content=porn but rather some people view it that way and others view some explicit content as separate from porn. I suggest we correct the article to point out the two different views on the "Does explicit content=porn?" question.
Pittsburghmuggle
I created a new Useful Notes page about what pornography is and its history. "Porn" redirect to this page - I'd like to change the redirect to that useful notes page, but am checking in here before doing so.
"Freedom is not a license for chaos" -Norton Juster's The Dot and the Line: A Romance in Lower Mathematics
Redefined as per this thread
Witch Queen of Potholes
Since we have the NSFW Webcomics subtopic now, would deleting the Webcomics section here be okay?
likes the cheeses.
Moved this example here, based on the second level bullet put in place, it does not sound like this film has explicit sex scenes. If that is incorrect, feel free to add it back in... however, please be aware that since this is an index you cannot use Wiki Words in an example that starts with a red link, otherwise the Wiki Words will be indexed.
- The film Henry And June was another NC-17 Art Flick, early in the rating's history.
- The film is a strange example since it is a light R-rated film that had the NC-17 rating due to a quick shot of a Japanese print of a woman and an octopus which can be viewed here, although it's obviously NSFW. Kevin Smith's Clerks almost fell into the same problem due to a quick, blurry shot of a pornographic magazine but Smith managed to repeal it.
- The film is a strange example since it is a light R-rated film that had the NC-17 rating due to a quick shot of a Japanese print of a woman and an octopus which can be viewed here
The movie is erotic but not really ultra-explicit as the trope seems to be aimed at. Ironically, Mad Men apparently showed the same "Fisherman's Wife" picture.
It was the first NC 17 rated movie, btw.
Right - I'm not getting this. To me 'porn' (and Hentai, and assumedly Yiff) is a genre, as in, a label for an entire work, and doesn't apply to parts. Porn/Hentai/Yiff exists to showcase sex, and that's it, any other features are secondary. On the other hand, if there's a generally released dramatic film with a dash of fairly graphic sex in it - say, The Piano - that's clearly not porn. That's Explicit Content, and it needs a sticker to say so because for the most part you don't necessarily expect it to have graphic sex in it. Explicit Content and Porn are absolutely not interchangeable things.
I suggest a rewrite is in order, because as it is, it basically says "Apples. Also known as Oranges (or Mikan, or Satsumas)." Or is there something else happening here I'm not grasping?
By the way, I'm no hardcore troper and I don't really participate in the forum and so on. The thread referred to in the top comment makes very little sense to me (e.g. you agreed to rename 'Porn with Plot' to 'Plot with Porn'...how does that make sense, given that one is the opposite of the other in terms of approach to the subject matter?) - hence this.
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