I read something about how some of the volume 2 Ruby/Weiss scenes were put in for the shippers (or something like that), which would make them Ship Tease, not Ho Yay. Apparently it was said at RTX 2014, but I can't find the full panel online.
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Since the page is Spoilers Off, why does the Blake and Yang being in Ship Tease bit have spoilers? Shouldn't the tags on that be cut out?
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Yes.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
To avoid an edit war I bring this topic to discussion. Blake/yang interactions can be interpreted as romantic subtext or platonic repairing of a friendship, considering the divided fandom response to their recent interactions. Ship tease is for instances of undeniable romantic implications. Therefore I propose it remain on this page with its removal contingent on volume 6 dvd commentary and volume 7 that should clear things up hopefully. Voice actor preferences do not count. Writers intentions are still up for debate and suggestions of canonical direction are premature. This particular pairing is subject to alot of shipping discourse so we cannot make a such a big change too soon.
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I believe that Volume 6 has been very clear in the direction it's going. They've done everything just short of saying that the two are going to get together.
The problem the fandom has is that it has been confirmed that the creators do insert genuine Ship Tease for the two into the show but that the fandom also reads far too much into things that just aren't there.
In other words, Blake/Yang have a mixture of Ship Tease and Ho Yay going on — not everything the fans see is genuinely Ship Tease. That means we can't just lift the Ho Yay folder and dump it into the Ship Tease folder. We're going to have to agree on which bits are Ship Tease and either dump the rest or leave it on Ho Yay.
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Within the show itself (ignoring songs and manga for now), I think these are the Ship Tease ones:
- Everything involving Adam
- The parallels/differences between Yang and Blake and Raven and Tai
- Their talk in Burning the candle and the dance afterwards
- The entire scene in Alone together
- How Yang froze when she saw Blake again in Haven academy
- Blake being super conscious of Yang during the first half of volume six. She looks at her half the time and pays extra attention whenever Yang speaks.
- Yang's and Blake's interactions in the plane and how it parallels Ren and Nora after the Nuckleave fight.
Everything else is in the show is imo Ho Yay. There are two scenes, I'm not sure about though.
1. That in the Emerald Forest Blake wanted Yang to be her partner and followed her. On the one hand, it is strange that Blake chose Yang specifically and parallels how Pyrrha and Nora wanted to team up with Jaune and Ren respectively, but on the other hand, we have no reason for why she did, given that the two barely knew each and their previous interactions were a bit cold. The only possible hint is the non-canon fan anthology. According to that, Blake thought Yang had figured out that she was a Faunus.
2. When RWBY fled from the Apathy in the wine cellar, Yang immediately grabbed Blake's hand. On one hand, Blake had almost been killed by them not long before, but on the other hand, there was no real need for her to do that. Blake was perfectly capable to run by herself and Yang ignored both Weiss and Ruby during that situation.
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Lifting all of blake/yang content and putting it into ship tease is not appropriate. Yes a split seems to be good compromise. The blake yang section should be restored and section for it in the rwby ship tease page should remain. It should probably be put under the various folder or at least split the folder for each pairing mentioned. I don't think its fair to have one folder dedicated to blake/yang and none for others but if it stays there others should have their own individual folders too (with additional content as it seems a bit outdated). Would take some of time to sift through and decide which belongs where. Agreed?
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The reason there is a separate folder for Blake and Yang is because their moments are much more numerous at the moment. Perhaps that will change, perhaps it will not once the entries are put in the right place. But it makes sense, it is the ship that involves two main characters, so they have more moments by default.
As long as there is no consensus on which moments qualify as what, it is better to let it stay all in the Ship Tease page. It has been confirmed that several moments were deliberate, so letting it all count is imo the safer bet than saying none of them are Ship Tease.
I've removed the reference to the Bmblb song from this page.
The difference between Ho Yay and Ship Tease is that the latter is deliberately put into a story by the creator for the fans to see, whereas the former is cooked up in the imaginations of the fans.
While a lot of the Blake/Yang section is still Ho Yay for now, the Bmblb song is deliberate Ship Tease by the creators and therefore shouldn't be on this page.
Edited by Wyldchyld If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
An Edit War was starting over whether this entry applies to Blake or Ruby. Please discuss.
- The credits song "Armed and Ready" gives another one. It is retelling the story of Yang suffering and then recovering from her PTSD. As Yang recounts the events of her losing her arm, while trying to save Blake from Adam with these words " My eyes are opened wide. I’m racing to her side there’s nothing that I won’t do for her". Yeah...
It has to be about Ruby, since Yang has no idea Blake is in Menagerie.
EDIT: I figure I should add in a disclaimer saying I DON'T ship Bumblebee.
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It wouldn't make sense for it to be Ruby, unless the song is taken out of context. The song is clearly about Yang suffering and recovering from her PTSD.
The entire first verse says that she relived that moment over and over each night, and when she wakes up she's reminded that it isn't just a dream. Her arm is still missing.
She's talking about Adam and how she's reliving the moment when her cut off her arm. She literally raced to Blake's side in that scene, so the 'her' in the song is Blake. It would make no sense to have the whole song be about her fight with Adam, her trauma and recovery and to have one line be about Ruby.
"But this is not a dream
My mind repeats the scene
I can't forget it and its torture"
This are the verses that came after Yang talked about "racing to her side" and "that there is nothing that [she] won't do for her". These three lines state that Yang always faces that what happened, wasn't just a dream, but that it really happened, that she repeats that scene in her mind again and again and how much pain it brings to her. We saw that she had recurring nightmares about her losing her arm thanks to Adam. And just before that she was running towards Blake, with an angry and teary expression. Her eyes were literally open wide.
Blake is only one that makes sense in the context.
If it were about Ruby, why would she have realize that it was not a dream and that she repeats that scene in her mind? What scene? And why would going towards Ruby be torture for her?
I'd agree that the verse is about Blake, I'm more skeptical about it being Les Yay or Ho Yay or whatever. That's certainly a possible interpretation but it also just makes sense in context as being a sign of her getting her resolve back.
Though, I do feel like I should mention that Yang is currently racing towards someone's side, but it definitely isn't Blake's; it's most likely Ruby's possibly Raven's. Just a thought.
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Well, even though I doubt the writers are actually going to do anything with the ship, I think it would probably be right to put the entry on the page just because it's a not particularly out there interpretation of the verse, and I doubt we'll actually be getting official word on it. It's a guess either way.
Personally I don't think that is anything but Les Yay, because Yang at that moment is still recounting the events of her trauma. The line "There is nothing that I won't do for her" was how Yang felt about Blake during V 3 E 11 (that was it right)? It is still part of the trauma. The part about her getting her resolve back only happens two verses later.
Also given how they parted, I wonder if Yang would feel like that.
Whether it is meant to be platonic or romantic is an entire different question and probably irrelevant for Ho Yay. Though there seems to be a tendency with Yang to create Ho Yay either with Blake or other females, so after some time one has to wonder if all of that is really accidental or the writers trying to set up something. And even if it isn't, it might still be intentional, but just misleading.
Also even if they won't do Bumblebee, for all we know Yang herself might actually have/had feelings for Blake, while Blake simply doesn't swing that way or sees her as just a good friend.
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Is it that Yang "creates" Ho Yay or people like reading it into things she does? Because subjective tropes like this (and I'd bet especially ones pertaining to relationships) often have people taking the tiniest action or comment as "proof" of love or something.
The fact that that's a thing is why something like this is even up for discussion; because people tend to take things much further than they reasonably should in the name of shipping.
I think it's both. I think because of her tendency (which because of the nature of the show and it's fandom may be seen more eagerly) to create Ho Yay, people started to see things in other scenes, where, previously they may not have seen anything.
Though I would be more dismissive of this, if the same would be happen to all the other members of RWBY, but outside of the "main ships" (and Nuts and Dolts) it is really only Yang, who has these scenes and it is not just with Blake.
This is also imo less a sign for any ship, but rather that Yang simply might be gay/bi. Yang's sexuality, whatever it might be in the end, and her ships are only indirectly related. Going back to the original line. The line might be platonic or it might be an indication that Yang could really have feelings for Blake, but doesn't really make Bumblebee more valid. And the song itself is definitely not a Shipping song.
And assuming, that the line was really an indicator that Yang's feelings are romantic, the likelihood of Bumblebee might still be as big as whatever the Jaunex Weiss ship was called, when Jaune had a crush on her.
Also I should mention, that this line was one of the more blatant moments and that it was certainly not accidental. But rather that it was intentional that both a platonic and a romantic message could be interpreted.
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I wish to discuss everything about Coco/Velvet. I found that the points made were missing the context, forced and not addressing CFVY as a team.
- It especifically points out Ship Tease between Velvet and Coco because of moments where Coco shows concern for Velvet which ignores the fact that this is a default treatment for all members of CFVY. The protective instinct Coco has for Velvet is no different from Fox's and Yatsuhashi's, and the latter is even stated to be her bodyguard, not Coco.
- Coco has no soft tone reserved for Velvet. Heck! Coco's tone never changes in the whole show even when she's pissed at Emerald for breaking her shades and it makes sense considering she's the cool one. She doesn't treat Velvet more gently. That implies she treats her teammates more harshly which she never does.
- Showing concern for an injured teammate is a default reaction. Being horrified of seeing your teammate beaten to a pulp isn't Les Yay. It's logic.
- Finally the case of Examples Are Not Arguable in the point of Coco calling out Velvet's name frequently. Not only is exaggerated but the examples given are not facts such as implying the whole student body surrounding them are bullies.
I've amalgamated a lot of the entries together because a lot of them were just taking different parts of the same situation, or were different examples to showcase the same point. I've therefore combined entries that were either contributing to the same point or to the same scene.
I have removed a couple of entries because they were either fridge or are just shoehorning even for something that's supposed to be opinion. For example, finding Les Yay in a moment when Cinder is burning Pyrrha to ashes just because Cinder briefly touches Pyrrha's head. I've also removed the entry about NDGO because all it says is that it's an all-female team and they disdain SSSN smack-talking which is zero context - it doesn't explain how that is a Les Yay example.
I'm happy to discuss any entries I've removed, but I have removed very few, most of the entries still exist in context, just with bullet points and word cruft removed.
The Fridge example:
- A subtle but powerful implication: While it's clear from the fact that Adam only realized after the decoy was dissolved that the "Blake" he killed was just her Semblance that she's gotten much better at using that illusion (normally she's still visible after she leaves the decoy), the fact remains that he didn't realize Yang was gone either. So, either he was so distracted that he didn't notice the tall blonde bombshell a foot behind his target getting up and being dragged away...or Blake was able to create a decoy Semblance of Yang, as well. Ladies and gentlemen, that's what we call a soulmate.
The no-context example:
- NDGO is an all-female team that displays complete disdain for the male Team SSSN, which seems to be well-known specifically for their attractiveness.
The example I don't think applies:
- As cruel and creepy as it is, Pyrrha's death—on her knees, with her forehead resting against Cinder's hand as she dies, with Cinder holding her iconic headpiece until she's faded away entirely—is a twisted form of intimate.
would a moment from this video https://youtu.be/sBnE9lTfGbc
where Ruby describes Weiss as "beautiful" be eligible or is this page strictly for the canonical series?