Personally, I’m skeptical most of those should be listed here at all; they fit more closely under Complacent Gaming Syndrome.
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Hello, I want to ask: does Cu Chulainn Caster (post LB 6) deserve to be here? Thanks to his updated third skill which gives him 80% delayed battery on a 5T cooldown, and his first skill also being a 30% battery on a 5T cooldown, this guy is now the only Buster servant who can generate his entire NP gauge on his skills alone. Thanks to that, he can farm with just about any servant duo that can give him 50% battery each. If we're using Koyanskaya and/or Oberon, he doesn't even need a starting charge CE. Hell, with double Koyanskaya and Kaleidoscope (non MLB btw, the rest can be filled by anything from an append skill to plugsuit and Merlin/Reines/Mash or you can use Imaginary Element+append+20% charger) he can make FOUR Buster NP loops with NON-MAXED OUT skills, and there's actually a video out there with him farming Riders
. My point is, Cu Caster has incredible versitality as a farmer and can work with just about any team comp, while other game breakers listed here (like Dantes and Berserker Lancelot) are mostly there because Skadi made them for viable.
Obviously if I make an entry, it's going to be more coherent than this.
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He's not unique in that niche so no.
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Guess I'll have to delete my entry then. The post here wasn't contested for a few days so I figured it was fine and made the entry, which was also uncontested for a few days. EDIT: I blanked it out until I'm told "delete this" or not.
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So, since I don't wanna be an edit warrior...
First, the source in question. Replicated below just in case the site's coding mangles it in some way:
https://gamepress.gg/grandorder/rabbits-reviews-266-altria-5-caster
Second, while we can perhaps dispute the definition of "professional," in the strictly-technical definition that he receives money to perform the service (as contrasted with an "amateur" who does it for free), Rabbit is a professional. He is a salaried employee of a company that analyzes gacha games and provides information on them whose specific function is looking at Fate/grand order characters.
Third, I can't name any major weaknesses. She puts out more NP support than anyone else, her worst skill "just" grants 1-turn invulnerability and as much of an Arts boost as Tamamo's, her Noble Phantasm is not only a stronger version of Jeanne's but will actually see use due to her Arts focus, and even her inability to heal, the closest thing she has to an actual weakness, is covered handily by her synergy with other Arts-based supports, since healing as a mechanic is heavily associated with the Arts card type anyway. I think the analysis he provided there is sound and well-argued.
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There was a discussion in the FGO forum thread about how like pretty much most characters in the game, she's still pretty vulnerable to buff removal, which can be crippling if caught off-guard so there's that.
Whether it counts as a specific weakness to her specifically or just a general problem that most Servants in the game can't counter is debatable I suppose.
does kingprotea deserve a slot here??? She's OP though
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Concerns:
I'll give Chen Gong a pass due to his low rarity, but Helena absolutely does not deserve to be here, on the basis that her long skill cooldowns and relatively weak damage see her outcompeted in several niches by other servants. She's good, but she's not a game-breaker.
Similarly, I do not believe Miyamoto Musashi ought to be on here. She's also good, but she neither trivializes other content nor serves a vital support role. She's just a great beatstick within her class, just like King/First Hassan, who is neither here nor should be.
And Nagao Kagetora is seen, not as an incredibly powerful welfare in the vein of Kintoki, but as a perfectly good welfare worth raising and using in the vein of Summer Ishtar or Santa Lily, from what I've seen.
To the best of my knowledge, none of them are seen as either recommendations to trivialize difficult content, as, for example, Euryale often is, to the point that they have started going out of their way to nerf her specifically and slapping charm immunity on every boss, or farming superstars as several of their peers are.
They're good servants that are worth using and saving for, but this isn't a section about that, and I don't think they should be here.
Agreed with all of the talking points and also another one I should go is regular BB. She's niche because she mainly exists to beat up Avengers through class advantage and that's it. There's no discernible reason why a player should prioritize her for non-Avenger fights so it's weird to see someone declare her good for all content.
It could go either way for Lancelot and Dantes since they have utterly trivialized most farming with Double Skadi but it's only one specific use for them.
To be fair, BB *does* have a powerful and versatile support/damage hybrid skillset as a lynchpin on an Arts team, complete with 20% charge on a free NP 5, but I suppose I can agree that, in the vein of Musashi/Kagetora/etc., I'm not sure she's quite at the point of being able to trivialize non-Avenger content for either farming or challenge quests.
I guess I disagree that BB is so niche that there's no reason for a player, especially a free-to-player who probably has limited access to high-power characters, to use her for anything but class advantage over Avengers, while still vaguely agreeing that she probably shouldn't be here.
...While we await more than just two voices in an echo chamber...
I firmly think recent addition Summer Jeanne Alter should be struck too. I've not played the Japanese version of the game, but every analysis I've seen agrees, quite firmly, that she's not terrible, but her skills are actually fairly weak and she's definitely not a Game Breaker.
Kagetora definitely isn't a Game-Breaker, but she fits under the mega category where Wellfare system is pretty busted, due to essentially giving NP 2 SSR(Nagao does 60k damage on NP 5. Using Okita as Benchmark SSR, 28000 damage, 42000 with Mana Burst, 1.33 modifier on NP 2 = 55840. Having this strong of a bosskiller for free is a huge advantage in general even if its not "broken")
She's decisively beyond every other Wellfare, and tied with Hokusai(who also didn't fit as a Game-Breaker even if shes real good). She's just not Kintoki. Kintoki is actually stupid. He could contend with proper SSR and outperform them
Of all Quick servant thats used for AOE meme only like 3 really qualifies as Game-Breaker for various reason:
1. Dantes - He simply have the consistency and the damage
2. Parvati - Should be self explanatory. Parvati is so stupid that its baffling she's release the way she did. Some hardcore Quick team user grailed her after Ooku Challenge Quest(the Alter Ego spam) entirely because of her absurd performance
3. Lance - probably not "broken" but he's a Zerker and Zerker value if you add farming into the equation is pretty big
By all means if Nagao is here, you pretty much should put Li Shuwen(theyre very similar in power level) and things got messy from there on.
Summer Jalter is a 50-50 case. She's actually really amazing, people diss her because they didn't realize Berserker is notorious for shitty buff value. But yeah she isn't a Game-Breaker in the slightest. Calling her "not terrible" is heavilly understating how good she could really be honestly, having "actually ok buffset" instead of "total shit" like 90% of Zerker is a big deal, and she have a good interaction on her defensive NP gain. Not a breaker, but her Zerk typing make her one of the more valuable wellfare for low end players
None of the SSR Saber is a Game-Breaker in this day and age yeah, Musashi is good but she's closer to "she's good because she's pretty complete". Only Okita fits as a Game-Breaker nowadays due to interaction with Skadi, although as ST Looper, she's less consistent than Kintoki Rider by a good chunk
I mean, I hesitate to pass stern judgement on any and all JP content I haven't experienced first hand. I'm just going off the judgements of others in those cases.
I think it sounds like you mostly agree though? Though, Li Shuwen's weakness was always short-term skills with long cooldowns, and I don't know if Nagao shares that, even if some of their raw numbers are the same in a vacuum.
And sorry about moving Summer Ibaraki into the Quick category; I just assumed she was Quick based when her entry wouldn't shut up about how great her Quick cards were and didn't even mention Buster stuff.
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Reading the Follow system entry, it seems like it should be considered a Disc-One Nuke or something more like a limited crutch good for carrying a player through just part one and not useful for anything else, and not actually a Game-Breaker?
Because it was intentionally designed to get players through the story as fast as possible considering just how much content is increasingly locked behind part one's final boss and then is no longer used ever.
I'm of two minds, but I ultimately come down on the end of letting it stay. It's an option a player can take that trivializes much of the game.
Nagao vs Li Shuwen is mostly just Nagao's Recursion and of course NP copy is more accesible(she can loop NP once with only N Px A sometimes using 1/2). IIRC they both pretty much can easilly loop once supported, and really its better to judge them post support. As far as damage peak goes, theyre pretty much the same having 1 turn C absorb, and because Li have an interlude he kept up well at Np 2 onwards, with Defense debuff going with his NP. Most of their damage comes from how powerful that NP is
And in Jp standard that doesn't count as properly broken anymore. For one, JP have been shifting heavilly towards AOE CQ, with Ooku as the last truly difficult CQ except for Lady Reines(which is technically ST). I honestly would say Fionn is more useful than them in majority of JP CQ so far. Kagetora would have an eh time against Summer 3 whereas Fionn actually destroyed it really hard
Iba only mentions her Quick and Third because thats really what her standout feature is and the entry was originally an extension of Raikou. The only thing separating them is really her Quick Card and her 1st. The essence behind them is still just "Self Mod and being Buster for huge damage"
I'm considering cutting Euryale out. She's good even when you factor the charm resistance stuff introduced in the Lostbelt content when it comes to male bosses (she even consistently outdamages Orion and outperforms Orion in every area), but she isn't that game breaking. Are agreements/disagreements on this?
As the person who wrote her entry, what makes her game-breaking is her value in high-difficulty content. She can trivialize a number of the hardest boss-fights in the game, backed up only by a Support list and a couple of basic Arts supports every player has access to, and does so at a very low rarity. In terms of a crutch for free-to-players, and an important tool even for paid players like me, she is just about unequaled.
The fact that she pretty much can still function in the Lostbelts despite all the constraints they've been using in an attempt to neutralize her indicates that her design is still very good and capable of casually taking down bosses in her designated niche.
So it's been some time since these two Craft Essences have been released so I figured it's now appropriate to ask: due to their similarity to Dive to Blue and One Summer respectively, would Ocean Flyer and Cherry Icicle count as Game-Breaker? And I know it's only been a little over two months since its release, but would the Cranking CE from the Learning With Manga event also count due to it being similar to Aerial Drive?
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