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AdelePotter susie. Since: Aug, 2010
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Feb 23rd 2021 at 10:38:21 AM •••

I've run into an issue when cross-wicking and I'm wondering if you guys have a solution. For a trope appearing solely in, say, TGWDLM or Nightmare Time, it's easy enough to decide where the trope goes; the folder for "theatre" or "web video," respectively.

But what about tropes that span the franchise? There aren't usually "franchise" folders. Should I make one? Should I list each appearance individually under the folders for the different mediums? Should it all go under "web original"? I'm not sure what the proper protocol here would be.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Feb 23rd 2021 at 10:46:20 AM •••

... well honestly, this page should probably be moved to Theater.Hatchetfield unless there are other works that the description doesn't mention.

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AdelePotter Since: Aug, 2010
Feb 23rd 2021 at 10:51:50 AM •••

I'm not sure about that, though, since Nightmare Time is a Web Video, so the franchise is technically multimedia. (Plus the Langs have hinted they'd like to do a movie at some point, though who knows if or when we'll get that.)

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Feb 23rd 2021 at 11:36:48 AM •••

Franchise/ pages are only for franchises that have TVT pages in at least 3 different mediums so unless there's a third one the page doesn't mention, it's pretty cut and dry. It also neatly resolves your question about where to put entries.

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trulymadmoves Since: Apr, 2013
May 4th 2021 at 6:23:01 AM •••

Well, most people saw the first two Hatchetfield installments on the web instead of in a theatre. So, would moving it to a Web Original namespace work?

PenitentTangent Since: Sep, 2017
Oct 29th 2020 at 11:17:24 PM •••

Hey, as someone who put a lot of work into the sheets for TGWDLM and Black Friday, I'm really not sure a consolidated character sheet is the best idea.

I know that it became the "in" thing to do on TV Tropes for big franchises like the MCU, but I'm not sure the Starkid Hatchetfield shows actually warrant it at this point, especially since, unlike the MCU, the Hatchetfield shows *don't* present a single continuity — each stage show (and most episodes of Nightmare Time) are in an alternate timeline, and it's in fact been remarked on by fans that characters act pretty differently in each show and play a different role, with the possibility that their backstory may be deliberately inconsistent.

A consolidated character sheet has the downside that it mixes up inconsistent info from different shows and makes it really hard to control spoilers — like, it ends up being that even just looking at the list of characters might spoil a show you haven't seen yet. For something as big and sprawling as the MCU it might make sense but I just don't see that it's necessarily a benefit to having one when the shows we have — TGWDLM, Black Friday, Nightmare Time, presumably Nerdy Prudes Must Die and Workin' Boys in the future — seem self-contained enough.

I'm not trying to claim ownership over the Hatchetfield TV Tropes pages or anything, but I just thought I'd voice my objection here; maybe it's worth reaching out to other people who've edited the Hatchetfield pages to see how they feel. (I'm C Cing this to the Discussion page of the Hatchetfield hub page.) Thanks.

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trulymadmoves Since: Apr, 2013
Oct 29th 2020 at 11:33:07 PM •••

I see what you're saying. And I do apologize, I have a habit of addressing potential actions that can be taken here on discussion pages, deciding no one's ever going to answer me, and just doing it myself.

And yes, it's true, there are definitely certain moments here in Hatchetfield where looking at a list of characters who appear in a story is, in itself, a big spoiler for that story. Overall, though, I think it's clear as of the end of Nightmare Time season 1 that Hatchetfield stories aren't self-contained at all; that, like the MCU, you have to see every single one to get the whole picture. Despite the multiple timelines, there's a ton of continuity.

I don't think differences in characterization are extreme enough to justify different character sheets for each individual Hatchetfield story; if anything, that would be supremely uninformative. Far more enriching to have just one character sheet and note the differences there. I apologize again for overhauling the whole thing so thoroughly. I'm willing to hear ways it might be improved.

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AdelePotter Since: Aug, 2010
Oct 30th 2020 at 5:48:53 AM •••

I agree with trulymadmoves - Emma in, say, TGWDLM and Black Friday, are definitely the same character, even if they're in different continuities. Same with Bill in TGWDLM and Watcher World. I personally think it'd be frustrating to read more or less the same character tropes on multiple pages. And the 'verse seems to be expanding more in the near future; it's easier to combine pages now than later.

That being said, I wonder if we should add a "spoiler characters" section or at least some warnings somewhere - there are a couple Walking Spoilers about.

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