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Njein Since: Apr, 2016
Sep 24th 2021 at 7:27:29 AM •••

does 0% Approval Rating apply to him as well? I mean, given that he's loathed at home and in Arendelle for obvious reasons, it makes sense to add it. The Frozen Ever After attraction showed that even people in his home country laughed at him when the giant snowball pummeled him into that cart full of horse poo. The diplomats cheer when Anna sucker punches him, and the French dignitary even volunteers to take this "scoundrel" back home. Given his actions, it's implied nobody in Arendelle holds him in high regards.

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bookworm11 Since: Oct, 2014
Sep 24th 2021 at 3:09:32 PM •••

The trope is for authority figure approval ratings from the people they have authority over, so I think if he's still a prince and the citizens of his home country hate him, it applies, but that the feelings of the people from the other countries don't affect the trope.

Tenebrika (Less Newbie)
Sep 25th 2021 at 12:46:46 AM •••

No, 0% Approval Rating doesn't apply to him. As bookworm11 says above, "the trope is for authority figure approval ratings from the people they have authority over" (italic's mine.) Hans doesn't seem to have any authority at home, and for the short time he has it in Arendelle, he's not hated. Hated by All fits much better.

bookworm11 Since: Oct, 2014
Nov 29th 2020 at 8:04:17 PM •••

How much does Plot-Irrelevant Villain apply to Hans? The entry on this page talks about him playing a key role in the climax, and entry for the same trope in the Duke of Weselton's folder contrasts the relative plot-relevance of Hans with the relative plot-irrelevance of the Duke.

Maybe a downplayed version? As a previous version of the entry said, it's "a strange example." He's not the one driving the main conflict, but he does play a key role in the climax, yet one that could have easily been fulfilled without his scheming.

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Njein Since: Apr, 2016
Nov 30th 2020 at 11:28:10 AM •••

I think it's good enough, since the plot mainly focuses on Elsa's fear of her ice power and her relationship with Anna, but that Hans takes advantage of a crisis via his faked romance of Anna.

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Tenebrika (Less Newbie)
Dec 2nd 2020 at 12:03:29 AM •••

I think the trope applies, especially with the way the entry is written now. As far as I understand, the trope is about a villain not driving the plot, as opposed to causing all the trouble the way Big Bad does; Frozen is mostly about Anna and Elsa's relationship and personal struggles, while Hans doesn't cause their problems and mostly happens to be there to take advantage of the existing situation. The Duke, I think, is even less relevant than Hans :)

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Oct 27th 2020 at 6:46:55 AM •••

Сan we really say Hans Has a Type? He only romances Anna, and even that is because he wants the crown, not because he actually likes her.

Also, is it just me, or is there a contradiction between Moral Sociopathy and Pragmatic Villainy entries? The former seems to mean that he actually cares about the people of Arendelle because he has some sense of right and wrong, while the latter says he only builds himself a good reputation to take over the kingdom.

And does Satellite Love Interest apply? As far as I understand, this trope is for characters who have little to no personality and purpose in a story except for being another character's love interest; Hans has plenty.

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bookworm11 Since: Oct, 2014
Nov 2nd 2020 at 9:18:28 PM •••

Based purely on what's in the movie (and not supplemental material like interviews or spin-off books), it's up to interpretation whether he's acting out of Moral Sociopathy or Pragmatic Villainy. I think the entries should probably either both be removed or edited to reflect what sources they're based upon.

The current Satellite Love Interest entry says that he's an example of a deconstruction of the trope; I think he's more of a subversion. At first he seems to be a generic Prince Charming just there to be Anna's Love Interest, but by the end of the film, he's revealed to have much more going on beyond that, and it's set up as a surprise. I'd rewrite the entry.

(The Has a Type entry is based entirely on A Frozen Heart, and I don't have a copy with me and I don't know it well enough to remember how well the trope applies to it.)

Tenebrika (Less Newbie)
Nov 3rd 2020 at 4:50:34 AM •••

I agree that in the movie, it's up to interpretation whether it's Moral Sociopathy or Pragmatic Villainy or something else. It would be nice to edit the entries to reflect the sources but I can't do that because I don't know these sources :( In A Frozen Heart, he doesn't seem to be a sociopath at all X)

On Satellite Love Interest, I agree that he's not a deconstruction but I don't think he's an example at all. He is initially presented as Anna's perfect match and a Prince Charming, and I think this makes him a False Soulmate and a subversion of Prince Charming but not necessarily a Satellite Love Interest. Per the description, "The test, of course, is to ask, "What does this person do when they're not being a love interest?" ...if it's hard to answer, you probably have this." The current entry itself begins to answer this question with, "he has some of Anna's surface sweet and goofy qualities and is a Nice Guy, he's from the Southern Isles, he has twelve older brothers, and he owns a horse"; also, he has a Big, Screwed-Up Family and has been abused by it. Then, he rules Arendelle in Anna's absence, argues with the Duke, fights Marshmello, and confronts Elsa in her palace: Hans does things when he's not being Anna's Love Interest. I was allowed to cut the Satellite Love Interest entry about Sleeping Beauty's prince who probably has just as much personality as Hans before the latter's reveal. Sure, a lot about Hans turns out to be a lie but still, he appears to have a personality until it's revealed that he has even more personality :)

I don't know the book well either; maybe it is mentioned somewhere, somehow that "he seems to genuinely prefer women who are livelier" but it slipped by me. I don't mind this entry but I think it has insufficient context the way it's written now; maybe it needs to be commented out then.

bookworm11 Since: Oct, 2014
Nov 3rd 2020 at 6:30:05 AM •••

Huh, my understanding of the trope must have been lax. I thought of the Sleeping Beauty prince as a Satellite Love Interest, but if he's not, then I don't think Hans is, either. Since you were able to cut the Sleeping Beauty entry, you should be able to cut the Hans one.

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