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"Too YMMV" doesn't make any sense here, but I'm going to ask for clarification on that last bit, because I haven't seen this work. Is the issue here that Goku and Vegeta aren't being held responsible for those deaths, or that they're being considered a complete non-issue and they don't even need to stop Freeza?
Edited by wingedcatgirl Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
From what I understand, the issue is that Gogeta (Goku and Vegeta combined from Fusion Dance) let Freeza go, because the main characters of the show have traditionally been assumed as "morally correct" for making short-sighted decisions, such as sparing a villain or looking for a good fight. In this case, Freeza is later shown killing people, which makes the decision to spare him for the umpteenth time questionable....but is never called out at all because of the aforementioned assumption.
Exactly Nubian.
Freeza is shown-on-screen conquering planets and killing people while scheming about Broly's (who has been saved by two other characters, as Gogeta was going to kill him) future. The movie never calls them out on this, instead just letting Freeza still do his deeds.
It is like Batman letting the Joker go to kill buncha people instead of sending him to Arkham.
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Apologies for not responding and clarifying what I meant.
The entry reads in a way that sounds like its taking a dig at Gogeta/Goku/Vegeta because they don't don't beat Frieza. The heroes don't know Frieza was killing people atm and while you could argue they would assume so, the entry came across as "They let Frieza go, which is bad because after that he is shown invading a planet". The entry as it was written sounded very YMMV in nature, instead of saying something like; "Gogeta allows Frieza to escape despite the fact the heroes know he is a potential threat, all so that they can have a challenge later." Its similar to how a lot of people were putting Unintentionally Unsympathetic entries on the films YMMV page for Gogeta beating Broly.
I more think the trope in question is too much of a YMMV entry but thats just me. Sorry I didn't clarify that.
Edited by keyblade333 Muramasa got.
I see. To be fair, I was the one who put that same YMMV trope, but I understood the discussion about it and never touched it again. Thing is, this topic regarding the movie still bugs me, and leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Edited by Tomodachi To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
I understand the point, it just read as not a trope based on the movie itself, but an opinion being slipped into where it doesn't belong. I will say that the film still treats Frieza as bad regardless of the protagonists, they just deem him not a threat now with Broly stopped. I think the idea you were making has a point, just that it needs to be written more based on what happens in the film.
YMMV is fine, but the entry makes it sound like Goku thinks Frieza is his friend (which isn't really true), and tries to argue A Million Is a Statistic when Goku couldn't have known what Frieza was doing at that moment.
Muramasa got.
Okay, I still don't actually know which scenario this actually is, so I'm just gonna lay it out like this:
"Frieza predictably killed people after Goku and Vegeta let him go and the narrative doesn't hold them personally responsible for their deaths" wouldn't be Protagonist-Centered Morality. I'm not sure what trope it is, but not this one.
"Frieza predictably killed people after Goku and Vegeta let him go, but because they're people our protagonists don't know, the narrative treats this as a non-issue that doesn't need to be addressed" would be Protagonist-Centered Morality.
Edited by wingedcatgirl Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.
That's actually nice, thank you catgirl.
To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
So here is the thing, I asked for this in Is this an example?, but got no response. I added this entry in Dragon Ball Super: Broly, and another user deleted it feeling "it was too YMMV"
I just want to know if this trope is wrong or incorrect, or it could be added back without any problem.
Edited by Tomodachi