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potshotbeta Since: Mar, 2019
30th Oct, 2019 09:59:11 AM

The Doylist in me agrees that it's nightmarish, but the Watsonian says that the movie seems to present the moment in question as heartwarming. I don't know how much the relative joy in a Crapsack World and the presence of an Unreliable Narrator impact the entries on the Heartwarming pages, though.

potshotbeta Since: Mar, 2019
30th Oct, 2019 09:59:15 AM

Quadruple post? Yikes.

Edited by potshotbeta
potshotbeta Since: Mar, 2019
30th Oct, 2019 09:59:16 AM

Yikes Part Deux

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potshotbeta Since: Mar, 2019
30th Oct, 2019 09:59:35 AM

Yikes III: The Yikening

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Willbyr MOD (Y2K)
30th Oct, 2019 11:56:37 AM

Well, that's a straight-up Edit War so that merits a suspension.

N8han11 Since: Apr, 2014
30th Oct, 2019 12:09:54 PM

Isn't Heartwarming supposed to be YMMV anyways? Considering the nature of the trope, if someone thinks it's an example, there has to be a reason to delete it (like if it's flat-out misinformation or something) beyond merely disagreeing with it.

Edited by N8han11
WarJay77 (Troper Knight)
30th Oct, 2019 12:45:48 PM

^ There's actually been a small cleanup going on with Moments. Nightmare Fuel is the biggest, but the other moments need some cleaning too, of moments that just don't fit any way you slice it. It should be subjective, but it should also be something that anyone anywhere has felt was heartwarming, not just anything that might be heartwarming if you squint and think real hard.

In other words, it's not the goal to delete things we don't agree with, but to delete things that just blatantly don't make sense on the page— or at least, aren't described well enough to fit.

Edited by WarJay77 Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
RoundRobin Since: Jun, 2018
30th Oct, 2019 01:54:15 PM

I'm willing to talk it out; that's why I asked for opinions. The entry in question is the following:

    Joker spoilers 

After killing Murray Franklin, Arthur is freed from custody when an ambulance crashes into the police cruiser's he's riding in. The clown rioters inside, who apparently recognize their icon, pull him to safety, and when Arthur comes to, he finds himself surrounded by a cheering crowd. In one of the film's most iconic moments, he drags himself to his feet, paints the blood on his face into his trademark rictus, and dances as they roar with approval. Whether it's a hallucination or not, Arthur Fleck, who's been hated, feared and ignored by almost everyone, has been reborn as the Joker, and for one brief shining moment, his loss of identity no longer matters. Everything falls into place in the most savage way possible; Gotham's downtrodden have a hero to call their own, and the Joker, at long last, has an audience who loves him.

Emphasis is mine. The part in italics, I can get behind. The bolded part, however, rubs me the wrong way. Even in the movie, painting the bloody smile and embracing the Joker persona isn't presented as heartwarming; quite the opposite, in fact. IIRC, there was a foreboding score meant to inspire a sense of dread during that moment.

In short, I believe that this entry is the squint-until-you-see-it sort that War Jay mentioned above.

Edited by RoundRobin - Fly, robin, fly! - ...I'm trying!
N8han11 Since: Apr, 2014
30th Oct, 2019 03:09:29 PM

^^Makes sense. I'll leave it for others to decide.

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