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Scorpion451 (Edited uphill both ways)
31st Aug, 2018 12:12:54 PM

No Challenge Equals No Satisfaction for the "It feels like doesn't really count because their player was hurt" part.

It sounds like Team B's captain has a bit of Spirited Competitor in them, too, in that they're a Glory Hound, but they want to earn the glory through a proper victory against a Worthy Opponent in peak condition.

Edited by Scorpion451
4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018
31st Aug, 2018 04:59:42 PM

Menaingless Villain Victory or Pyrrhic Victory

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Chabal2 Since: Jan, 2010
31st Aug, 2018 11:20:37 PM

Not necessarily meaningless or villainous. Something like:

  • The villain is defeated, and with his dying breath kills the hero's dog/best friend/love interest, out of sheer spite. The world is saved, but the hero can't enjoy it because he's in mourning.
  • The villain's plan to be named in a position of power in the city succeeds. The heroes can't overturn this decision, so they let it be known that the king is dead (in fact he died the day before, but the news was hushed up). The villain won, but because the king's funeral is now underway, it ensures the Slave to PR villain can't hold the lavish victory celebration he was planning without looking like a spectacularly insensitive asshole.

Edited by Chabal2
4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018
1st Sep, 2018 02:24:08 AM

1 is Bittersweet Ending because of Last Ditch Move

2... Is the part where the villain doesn't get the celebration done emphasized in the story? (The fact that the villain wins sounds like it's already rather bad, the celebration is mere icing)

In any case, Flawless Victory is related to this, I think?

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Chabal2 Since: Jan, 2010
1st Sep, 2018 02:49:58 AM

2: Yes. In this case the villain is merely a political plotter (the setting is 1600s Venise, so his powermongering is not much different from everyone else. He's actually one of the better choices for the position, just more ruthless than the rest and has a grudge against the hero's family), and the heroes are doing the only thing they can do to wipe the triumphant smirk off his face.

It's related in that when done deliberately, the mindset is basically "Prevent the other side from achieving a Flawless Victory at our expense".

4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018
1st Sep, 2018 04:37:33 PM

^ are the heroes really that motivated to do that, possibly out of spite? The whole thing sounds, I dunno, weird...

Another related trope is Curb-Stomp Cushion, when "you lose badly but you still deal some significant blow to the opponent".

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