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MrMallard Since: Oct, 2010
1st Apr, 2024 01:44:43 PM

I would have argued that Keet would be the better option by virtue of the trope name not being gendered, but the description refers to the archetypal Keet character as a boy. Also, Keet is indexed under Always Male, and Genki Girl is indexed under Always Female.

Poking around the pages, both tropes are also indexed under Extraversion Tropes and Immaturity Tropes. Maybe you can find an alternative or less explicitly gendered workaround under those indexes.

Vilui Since: May, 2009
1st Apr, 2024 02:20:52 PM

Genki Girl also explicitly states in its description that it's not limited to females, and that has been there as far back as the page history goes. It also has some male examples on the page.

There are some cases in the history where male examples were moved to Keet, but that may just be a single troper misunderstanding the situation due to the trope name.

number9robotic (Experienced Trainee)
1st Apr, 2024 02:26:56 PM

Then why does Keet even exist if not just to mean "hyperactive male character"? I thought the gender-specific separation was the whole reason the two are different tropes, so it seems at least one of them is really confused.

Whichever way for now, would it be right to just write down a redirect for Venture as like "Genki Guy" or something? Some folks online have been very immature about them explicitly being nonbinary who uses "they/them" pronouns and it might be weird to have to explain a seemingly misgendering trope name with "but they're nonbinary though".

Edited by number9robotic Thanks for playing Kings Quest V!
Excessive-Menace (Not-So-Newbie)
1st Apr, 2024 02:29:15 PM

I wonder if it would be good to merge Genki Girl and Keet under one "hyperactive character" trope since the only meaningful distinction is the gender, but that's a topic for another place.

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MacronNotes (Captain)
1st Apr, 2024 08:20:31 PM

Actually Keet is more than just "hyperactive male character". It's "Cute, energetic male character that acts as a little brother Audience Surrogate" It was taken to the TRS here and thread decided to not merge Keet and Genki Girl and to not make the latter gender neutral. The subject might worth a trope talk if you want to delve into it further

Anyways, as things stand now, energetic and perky characters regardless of gender go on Genki Girl. I know that using tropes with gendered names for nonbinary characters can be tricky but the trope isn't supposed to reflect the character's gender. I guess you could try requesting a Genki Person or something gender neutral redirect as an option

Macron's notes
Excessive-Menace (Not-So-Newbie)
1st Apr, 2024 08:37:39 PM

^ I think the current names of both Genki Girl and Keet contribute to a definition problem, as the former makes a non-gendered trope seem gendered and the latter name tells me nothing about the non-surface aspects of the trope.

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Vilui Since: May, 2009
1st Apr, 2024 09:17:31 PM

So examples such as Zidane from Final Fantasy IX that were wrongly moved should be moved back?

number9robotic (Experienced Trainee)
1st Apr, 2024 11:15:41 PM

Will continue this discussion in Trope Talk, because it turns out there's a lot going on with the two tropes here that needs further attention.

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