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I could simply make the hook a crowner tool available to everyone or most users? Maybe add some sort of minor restriction like account age. I’m not sure how it works but if it’s even a bit complicated, as most of TV Tropes code is, pulling them apart and making separate functions may be too big of a hassle to get approved.
Edited by kory Now monitoring Wishlist and Bugs
I think allowing anyone to hook a crowner probably needs more discussion. Mods were always the ones that decide whether or not a crowner is needed.
Macron's notes
I'm okay with letting users create crowners like it was used to before. Attaching to threads, there are only a few areas and reasons when that's needed, so hooking should probably stay mod-only.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
I agree with letting non-mods make crowners again, but hooking should still be mod-only. Mods would review crowners and decide whether they get hooked.
Edit: Also, regarding the types of crowners mentioned, I don't think bringing back the different types of crowners is necessary. I think just having one type makes them easier to manage.
Edited by GastonRabbit Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
I don't think types of crowners are needed, they are all functionally identical even if they have just one option.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
I wasn't asking for crowner types back. I was just detailing how things worked back then because not everyone is familiar with the process.
Also, if people could create crowners like they did back then, I am fairly sure they could use any type they wanted anyways because everything is URL based. I don't think they were hard coded but I could be wrong.
EDIT: The only thing I asked for is to bring back the edit button for crowner options and descriptions but that seems to have been overlooked. I think we can do that even if we can't bring back crowner creation for everyone.
Edited by MacronNotes Macron's notes
^I wasn't saying you wanted the types back. I was also simply discussing how things worked then, as well as mentioning how I think things should work if non-mods could make crowners again. That line was primarily directed toward the dev team.
Edited by GastonRabbit Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Oh, makes sense. Now that I think about it , I am not sure how things can go back to how it used to be when crowner creation is directly tied to the crowner hook tool. It would be easier if the mod tool was modified to just hook crowners and for there to be a separate button for crowner creation but I don't know if that's feasible.
Macron's notes
Yeah, I was thinking it would be ideal to have crowner creation done separately from hooking crowners, not just so non-mods can make crowners, but also because there's currently no way to make a TLP crowner without hooking it to a forum thread first, and there's also no way to hook the same crowner to more than one thread (I don't think the latter was done often, but it's been done at least once on TRS, with the threads for Designated Love Interest and Relationship Writing Fumble).
Edited by GastonRabbit Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Crowners
are tools we use to gauge consensus for important wiki decisions such as the ones done in the Trope Repair Shop, Image Pickin', and Wiki Talk boards. Here's an example of a crowner
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So, back in 2021, there was this "bibble bobble" bug that rendered a lot of crowners into gibberish (and they are all inaccessible now). The admins fixed but I think what they did ended up preventing anyone creating crowners as crowner creation is now attached to the "hook a crowner" mod tool (what mods use to attach crowners to threads. Previously, people would create crowners by adjusting the URL (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/crowner.php/SingleProposition/TropeName)
and adding a description and options. We used to have different crowner types like Single Proposition (for crowners with only one option) Alternative Titles (crowners to determine the new name of a trope), and Page Action (crowners that have multiple courses of action).
Before the overhaul, users would create the crowners and then holler a mod to hook them. Users could also edit crowner options and the crowner description. Now, mods have to create and hook them and people rarely send hollers for crowners because mods have to do everything ( people were always free to make their own crowner options and ask us to make them though). I think it would be a lot easier for everyone if non-mods could make their own crowners and fix mistakes on crowner options.