Fire Emblem

At least we have Heroes to pretend that Deirdre fought back against Arvis with Sigurd.

I know, but unwitting rape is still defined as rape. Not that Arvis isn’t a victim to some degree here, but he’s not innocent either.

That always felt incongruous with Arvis’ character, and speaks to me of Kaga struggling with Grey-and-Gray Morality as well... meaning the issues affecting the series NOW, were there from its inception at its creator’s hands.

Talk about Franchise Original Sin, eh?

Edited by CaellachTigerEye on Aug 7th 2020 at 12:58:09 AM

The Loptous definitely commit Rape by Proxy.

In Sigurd's eyes, anyways. Though admittedly, it's only supplementary material that reveals that he learned the truth of their relationship after executing Sigurd. By that point however, he came too far to let it all go.

Arvis finding Deirdre and learning that she's the missing princess gave him the opportunity to ascend to the throne of Belhalla and achieve his ambition of making a world of no persecution (mostly out of self-preservation due to Loptian oppression at the moment, of which he is). Manfroy blackmailing him cause Arvis to want that ambition.

Him knowing about Sigurd's wife is ambiguous at best. He might of suspected something like Deirdre appearing before him and Sigurd's wife going missing (though why would he know since Sigurd is a traitor at this point). He could have confronted Manfroy at some point of if he kidnapped Deirdre and made him his wife, but when there is a choice between his ambition or a friend, the choice was already chosen for him.

If there is anything to say about Arvis, simple is not one of them.

Edited by mariovsonic999 on Aug 6th 2020 at 8:03:45 AM

Finished The Last Promise Ch.16-20

Ch.16: This chapter feels incredibly forgettable. I can't recall what happened in it. Even looking at the map again doesn't remind me anything.

Ch.17: The rescuing Siegfried thing is weird. Shon and Kelik had no trouble blasting through foes and march to Siegfried's cell, but once they rescued him there was nothing else for the three to do. Anakin and the rest of the gang smashed through the enemy line no problem.

Ch.18: A rout-like map with a lot of enemies. The enemies weren't that strong so my team could easily afford to split up and fight many enemies at once. I forgot that multiple castles must be seized to Anakin had to ba carried back by Ben.

Ch.19: It's another big chapter but enemy groups were rather far apart and easy to overwhelm. The only interesting thing about this map was the treasures.

Ch.20: This chapter was the biggest slog so far. There were just so many enemies. Enemy Wyvern Knights were so tanky against lances and axes and they were not always in range of my archers and mages. This wendlt double for the Wyvern Lords. The boss fight was also a slog too, since even my mages couldn't kill him in two rounds.

Here's the current team. I'm happy to have most of them promoted.

http://imgur.com/gallery/ogsuGPE

Edited by RAlexa21th on Aug 6th 2020 at 8:04:58 AM

Even disregarding reinhardt I feel like a Genealogy remake would probably have lots of nods to Thracia. Like, I can imagine Ced and Leif having supports based off the game's events. Heck, Saias or Sara would arguably add more to the story if they were included rather than Reinhardt.

I was going to say like if they add base convo. for fighting Hilda for the last time, Lewyn would tell Seliph of the history of the Gelben Ritter and how the Thracia campaign completely crippled their forces. So few soldiers remained and without capable commanders leading the Friejian like Largo, Paulus, and Reinhardt, they will likely fall to their forces.

You know, I just realized that Genealogy and Thracia has so much enemy classes that it comes across as unacceptable by modern standards. Like sure, there are enemy classes like Brigand and Soldiers but the number of them in those games feel excessive. Like what makes the Bishop and High Priest different from each other besides name when they should be the same thing.

Edited by mariovsonic999 on Aug 6th 2020 at 8:14:38 AM

Also, if they do a Genealogy remake, Arden should survive the massacre because he got there too late. Then he should show up during Part II as a Wyvern Lord with a special skill that boosts his movement, so he'll never be late to the fight again.

And I agree with you; Arvis holds up as an antagonist precisely for his depth of character, which includes a full circle progression. While I criticise his naïveté concerning the Loptyr Cult, I know he has his heart in the right place... most of the time, anyway. Killing Sigurd was meant to bring peace and SAVE more lives in the long run, I don’t believe he wanted to do it; and by the end it’s clear he has many regrets, with his love for his family being a rare exception - however right or wring his feelings for Deirdre were, he did come to care for her genuinely over time (even if his Mommy Issues and the orchestrated Meet Cute were the foundation).

I don’t even blame him for the rape, I call it that knowing he was doing so unwittingly. He’s neither the first or last person to have perpetrated dubious consent without really knowing or realising it.

Edited by CaellachTigerEye on Aug 7th 2020 at 1:24:47 AM

ehh, Arvis knew what he was doing when he presented Deirdre to Sigurd.

And even if he learned Deirdre was his half-sister, he still had 2 kids with her after learning it.

Besides what supplemental material are we talking about? The Manga? It isn't canon though.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 6th 2020 at 8:29:07 AM

DID he know before having the twins, though? He knew she was Prince Kurth’s illegitimate daughter, but we don’t know when he made the connection that they shared a mother (not like the amnesiac Deirdre could tell him, and Manfroy wouldn’t want his plans compromised by revealing her mother’s name to Arvis).

According to the wiki, Arvis learned Deirdre was his half sister just after killing Sigurd.

So yeah, he had Julius and Julia with the full knowledge Deirdre was his half sister.

Also, Arvis clearly knew that Deirdre was Sigurd's wife when he had a BBQ with the man.

Like jeez, the whole present amnesiac wife to Sigurd specifically to taunt him and to confirm Deirdre did not remember him is a serious MEH.

He could have backed down and told Deirdre the truth, but he didn't. He loved her so much, he violated her.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 6th 2020 at 8:36:07 AM

Kaga's designer notes. You could find the info. in serenesforest.net.

Considering that he literally promised the king that he would have a son who would rule Grannvale, he stopped caring at that point.

Plus, it's not half-bad. He only banged her once.

Edited by mariovsonic999 on Aug 6th 2020 at 8:39:00 AM

Man, wonder what would have happened if it was just Julia who was born?

Just once? That's bordering on wanting a prize for basic decency and there's no decency in Arvis and Deirdre's romance.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 6th 2020 at 8:41:18 AM

Well, if that’s from either Kaga’s notes or the game itself, I can’t argue with you there... the knowing for a fact she was Sigurd’s wife, not as much, but you have a point there too; he was Secretly Selfish.

EDIT: Is that a possible scenario? Taking the Awakening rules into account, one could argue Julia was predestined to Deirdre and Julius, to Arvis... so if FF writers want a crack at any story without the incest, you can use that if you like.

If you mean “what if Julia was the only child, would it affect Manfroy’s plans“, who the feck knows? We don’t know if the birth if a child with Major Loptyr blood was a Foregone Conclusion the moment those siblings did the deed, only that it was a prerequisite requirement. Maybe Julia could have been born with it, but I dunno if Loptyr would be happy with a female meat suit or not. There’s also the Major Naga blood to consider - they were born as counterpoints to each other.

So... how about we Gender Flip the twins? Keep everything else the same, except that now “Julia” is the red-haired Major Loptyr blood carrier and “Julius” is the white-haired Major Naga bearer... I wonder.

Edited by CaellachTigerEye on Aug 7th 2020 at 1:48:52 AM

Arvis is a bastard both literally and figuratively, it's why he's one of the best villains this franchise has.

Even if he gets upstaged by Manfroy and Julius, he at least had some good deeds under his belt.

His love for Deirdre is both really disgusting and noble, but mostly disgusting.

Honestly, i would love to see Xander Mobus do broken old man Emperor Arvis.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 6th 2020 at 8:42:26 AM

I'd like to imagine that every time Arvis and Loptous-in-Julius get into an argument, Loptous always wins by reminding Arvis he banged his sister and had kids with her.

I bet at the villains table in Askr, Arvis is a pariah for committing incest and the whole nature of his relationship with Deirdre.

Also the more jerkass villains would mock Julius for being inbred. Like say Fomortiis.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 6th 2020 at 8:47:41 AM

Julius and Julia are twins. That's why I said he only banged her once.

The thing about him and the king. That was in the game itself. Arvis had to promised the king that when he married Deirdre, he will be regent until he has a son. Since little did they know that Seliph was born and that Julius would be a spawn of Loptous, it makes sense why war would inevitably happen.

Edited by mariovsonic999 on Aug 6th 2020 at 8:49:14 AM

Honestly, I think he'd be more of a pariah for letting Julius and Manfroy walk all over him after he became Emperor. Except for maybe Medeus, who would commend him for doing the proper thing and being subservient to an earth dragon.

That's only assuming it only took one session to impregnate her. It's more likely he banged her multiple times...and then went to cry in the showers afterwards.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Aug 6th 2020 at 8:49:27 AM

Uggh, don't give me mental images of Arvis and Deirdre's sex life.

Man, we really need Medeus in Heroes soon, and hopefully he's viable.

I mean just because you're late doesn't mean you are good.

Compare Regular Grima to Legendary Grima.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 6th 2020 at 8:51:39 AM

Its fantasy. You only need to bang once to have a baby. Ask Azelle.

Edited by mariovsonic999 on Aug 6th 2020 at 8:49:45 AM

How do you know they didn't have protected sex after having twins? XD

Only if you roll an exceptional success with the dice. Face it: Arvis and Deirdre banged multiple times. And I bet Loptous constantly reminds Arvis of it as well.

Or maybe they did bang only once...and that was after Arvis finished burning Sigurd to death. Kind of like a mini-Aerys Targaryen.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Aug 6th 2020 at 8:52:47 AM

Arvis is a motherfucker in both senses of the word.

I also never found him working with the cult sympathetic or logical in any sense. Like how are they blackmailing him with his Loptousian heritage? The guy's a duke and captain of the royal guard. Without proof, I doubt anyone of importance would believe such to be true.