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ILikeRobots Adorable out of 10 from a halidom, whatever the heck that is Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Adorable out of 10
Feb 12th 2019 at 7:28:30 AM

I didnít say Marth did, I said Chrom did.

And Marth is Chromís ancestor. Sigurd was born thousands of years before Marth and Marth thousands of years before Chrom, so if your theory was true Marth would have to be Sigurdís descendant. Which he isnít as RJWalker has already explained.

Naga made several pacts with humans through the ages that were pretty unrelated to each other. Besides, Sigurd isnít even descended from Heim, the Crusader who made the pact with Naga personally. Thatís Azmur, Kurth, and then later Julia. Sigurdís descended from Baldr who has little to nothing to do with Naga.

I definitely wouldnít call Daein Easily Forgiven. It suffers under Begnion for a while, then enters another war with Crimea plus the entire Laguz Alliance. Itís given a view into the lives of its ordinary people who were just along for the ride with Ashnard at the helm but not completely absolved of the destruction Ashnatd caused. The politics are messy with friends from the previous war caught on different sides of it, and it isnít until Ashera pops down threatening to bring the apocalypse that everyone drops the grudges they have against each other.

The end of the Three Houses drought at last? [lol]

Edited by ILikeRobots on Feb 12th 2019 at 7:29:15 AM

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Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
Feb 12th 2019 at 7:38:28 AM

Thousands of years between Sigurd and Marth, and thousands more between Marth and Chrom?

Man, fantasy writers really have no sense of time

Feb 12th 2019 at 7:39:01 AM

[up]Grima did nothing wrong.

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ILikeRobots Adorable out of 10 from a halidom, whatever the heck that is Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Adorable out of 10
Feb 12th 2019 at 7:49:43 AM

[up] x2 It's roughly around 2000 or so years for each gap if I recall correctly. I know Kaga went on record saying that human civilization on Archanea was still very underdeveloped during the Holy War on Jugdral.

Judgral as a whole seems to go for a more The Dung Ages feel to things, and Awakening is more reminiscent of the Enlightenment-ish era than the typical medieval setting, though, yeah, other than that, not a whole lot has changed technologically from that time.

I think the idea of Archanea, Valentia and Jugdral (and later Ylisse and Valm, though I am curious what became of Jugdral after the war) sharing a world is a super interesting one, even though most of their crossover is off-screen or in the distant past. Getting another game on future!Jugdral would be cool.

Kiragi is precious. Protect him at all costs.
erazor0707 The Unknown Unknown Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Unknown Unknown
Feb 12th 2019 at 8:20:52 AM

>3H news

We finally move forward.

Copyright? Plz, I'm a troper.
Feb 12th 2019 at 8:39:18 AM

[[quotebloack]]Yeah, he's weak. That's intentional, he's a weak person who relies on the support of others and is envious of Micaiah's charisma and the loyalty she inspires in others. Towards the end of the liberation war, he starts to grow a spine, delivering a rousing speech to the soldiers that actually does inspire them for the final push. [[/quoteblock]] It's only barely the start of it. He almost doesn't even get to give it, but the BK steps in, all, "Hey, you little shits, sit down and listen to the King."

Then it cuts off before he really gets a chance to do anything more. The game itself undermining his sacrifice is important because it very easily comes across as a meta attempt to squeeze a bit of cheap sympathy out of a weaker character before he gets fridged.

Judgral as a whole seems to go for a more The Dung Ages feel to things, and Awakening is more reminiscent of the Enlightenment-ish era than the typical medieval setting, though, yeah, other than that, not a whole lot has changed technologically from that time.
Combat magic is much more diverse, so I guess it can be extrapolated that any utility magic used to aid in more mundane tasks has likely seem similar progression. Quantifying technological advance in a setting where magic obsoletes many things prior to our most modern electronics is difficult. I suppose the games could have taken this to the extreme and had magic dominate and push society into some kind of golden age, though.

http://www.twitch.tv/kuroitsubasatenshi http://www.fimfiction.net/story/120195/the-necromancers-ambition
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ILikeRobots Adorable out of 10 from a halidom, whatever the heck that is Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Adorable out of 10
Feb 12th 2019 at 9:35:41 AM

[up] x2 I don't think there's much utility magic at all in the Fire Emblem universes. The most we see is teleportation magic, and even that can malfunction and create odd, badly-written plot points. tongue (Luckily made much better in the localization)

FE magic is very much Magic A Is Magic A with the tomes and staves. I think people can tweak tomes slightly at the most, but magic isn't really capable of being used for much else besides healing, buffing, or throwing fireballs at people. And the occasional magic weapon which just makes it more powerful, sometimes unbreakable, and lets it shoot like, waves of energy at people.

Kiragi is precious. Protect him at all costs.
Feb 12th 2019 at 9:45:36 AM

Awakening, in the ending of Summer Scramble, introduces a tome that can basically take snapshots, so there's some form of utility magic there.

Not going to lie, I would love to see such a tome get used in future games. Especially if we can use it to take pictures of playable units getting critical hits on boss characters or something similar.

Feb 12th 2019 at 9:59:25 AM

[up][up] Healing and Restore Staves alone are miles ahead of our modern health care systems. Sleep Staves also have very obvious medical applications.

[up] I believe that tome's also recurred in Heroes (and maybe Warriors? Not too sure on that one), alongside what amounts to a video camera tome and a audio recorder tome.

http://www.twitch.tv/kuroitsubasatenshi http://www.fimfiction.net/story/120195/the-necromancers-ambition
VampireBuddha Hungry dinosaur from Ireland Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Hungry dinosaur
Feb 12th 2019 at 10:05:10 AM

Why is Daein and the like are easily forgiven in their sequels. But hey at least the POV lords' side are never in the wrong.

It's the logical progression of a theme that's been there since Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light. Every country has at least some decent people in it, even if their rulers are evil, and the actions of a king do not have a bearing on the morality or worthiness of his subjects.

Also I don't think any of the PCs in Radiant Dawn fought for Daein.

Chrom's holy blood is given a source: a new pact made by the First Exalt with Naga. It's outright stated that this why Chrom's family has holy blood.

Oh, is it? Huh, I must have missed that titbit.

Sigurd was born thousands of years before Marth and Marth thousands of years before Chrom, so if your theory was true Marth would have to be Sigurdís descendant.

Wait, what? Why would Sigurd have to be Marth's ancestor? The three millennia between Mystery of the Emblem and Awakening gives more than enough time for a descendent of Sigurd to marry a descendent of Marth, and for one of that couple's descendents to found Ylisse. Heck, according to the wiki, Emmeryn's royal title is the same as the one Seliph used.

Sigurd isnít even descended from Heim, the Crusader who made the pact with Naga personally. Thatís Azmur, Kurth, and then later Julia. Sigurdís descended from Baldr who has little to nothing to do with Naga.

Ah, OK, my bad.

Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
Feb 12th 2019 at 10:08:07 AM

Ricken (in Awakening) mentions in some of his barracks conversations that he can use fire magic to cook food, so I assume that means there is mundane use for magic.

Although it looks like magic always needs an item to cast (tome, staff or otherwise). There's no one who isn't divine who uses magic naturally that I recall seeing.

Edited by Resileafs on Feb 12th 2019 at 1:09:43 PM

ILikeRobots Adorable out of 10 from a halidom, whatever the heck that is Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Adorable out of 10
Feb 12th 2019 at 10:12:42 AM

The three millennia between Mystery of the Emblem and Awakening gives more than enough time for a descendent of Sigurd to marry a descendent of Marth, and for one of that couple's descendents to found Ylisse.

They didn't though. I don't mean to be so blunt about it, but Jugdral or what has become of Jugdral has no contact with Ylisse or even Valm.

If a descendant of the legendary Seliph married a descendant of the legendary Marth, there would have been something explicitly stated about it, either in- or out- of universe.

It's also confirmed that the First Exalt wasn't Marth, but Marth's descendant, and Chrom's ancestor.

And just having the same Japanese title doesn't equal a connection. "Holy King" [gender neutral in Japanese] just means...you know, a monarch of a kingdom that is holy or blessed by the gods. Alm also has that title, so by that logic, Alm would have to be descended from Seliph too. And...he's not.

edit: Fair enough about the utility stuff though, I'd forgotten all of those other things, though those are all pretty much in Awakening's time, so that might have been a case of technological progress after Shadow Dragon and such. I guess we see it most often in a war context because of obvious reasons.

Valentian magic seems to be tied to Duma and Mila specifically, which seems to negate the need for tomes. Their magic infused the continent itself, so I imagine Valentian mages have to draw on that and part of their own life force to use it.

Edited by ILikeRobots on Feb 12th 2019 at 10:23:20 AM

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dood9780 Fanatic Of Digital Monsters And Giant Robots from Chile, Temuco.
Fanatic Of Digital Monsters And Giant Robots
Feb 12th 2019 at 10:30:19 AM

Wait, there is a magic tome that basically allows you to take photos? ...Would it be possible to take selfies with it?

Cause it would be hilarious to have your character take a selfie in the middle of a heated battle like its the most normal thing.

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erazor0707 The Unknown Unknown Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Unknown Unknown
Feb 12th 2019 at 10:32:15 AM

[up] #FirstKill #LevelUp

Edited by erazor0707 on Feb 12th 2019 at 10:32:37 AM

Copyright? Plz, I'm a troper.
Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
Feb 12th 2019 at 10:34:36 AM

[up]#Fuck This Is A Fire Tome

Edited by Resileafs on Feb 12th 2019 at 1:34:57 PM

ILikeRobots Adorable out of 10 from a halidom, whatever the heck that is Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Adorable out of 10
Feb 12th 2019 at 10:50:30 AM

[up] But if they mistake it for a camera tome... They're targeting other people, some of whom might not have such good Res...

Darkest backstory for a scatterbrained screw up character?

Kiragi is precious. Protect him at all costs.
Feb 12th 2019 at 10:57:42 AM

Well, my statement is specifically about selfies, but yeah, that could be bad if try it on someone else (and someone reckless enough to take battlefield selfies might just end up doing that...).

http://www.twitch.tv/kuroitsubasatenshi http://www.fimfiction.net/story/120195/the-necromancers-ambition
MayIncon Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Feb 12th 2019 at 7:15:29 PM

Funnily enough Judgral fashion looks more modern than Archanea's despite taking place earlier. There must be some earth-shattering event that turns their technology and fashion levels back a few steps in between FE 4 and 1.

Get Out of Our Home.
Feb 12th 2019 at 7:18:16 PM

Yeah I can't see anything but a downgrade by Awakenings Time. Even the Technology built by humans in the past was slowly lost wih time. Like the Sluice Gate that separates Valentia in half.

Clarste One Winged Egret Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
Feb 12th 2019 at 7:23:31 PM

This is why trying to patch together timelines in otherwise unrelated games is always dumb.

Edited by Clarste on Feb 12th 2019 at 7:23:39 AM

agent-trunks from Every-where, but there
Feb 12th 2019 at 8:30:13 PM

Whatever news Direct I hope at the very least assuage the anxiety people have about the game.

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