Fire Emblem

Theyve made clear when an army is big and when it isnt. Thats why situations where small forces are inuniverse just a small force taking on an enemy are mentioned.

Even Awakening they had unseen soldiers that marched against Walharts larger numbers and we even get a scene to represent how vast his army protecting his castle is suppsed to be.

I distinctly remember the native calvary flying in to join the fight.

I just assumed it's the elite vanguard vs the emperor's personal guards as the greatest battle of all time rages offscreen.

The Valm lords armies arrive just after we forced Walhart inside.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Oct 19th 2018 at 9:13:27 AM

Fire Emblem is incredibly inconsistent about army scale across the franchise. It "Helps" that the map size is hilariously haphazard too; in one stage a tile might be taken up by a single barrel and the next a tile is the size of an entire town.

It's one of the reasons I shook my head at people crying Adaptational Badass regarding everyone's appearance in Fire Emblem Warriors. As far as we've seen, who's to say that everyone hasn't always been at that level of power? It might have just been hidden behind the abstraction of the game mechanics.

Edited by ShirowShirow on Oct 19th 2018 at 2:56:23 PM

Yeah, I always assumed that Warriors more or less represented how battles work on open fields - each unit on the map represents a squad of fighters which the named character is fighting as part of, while on the indoor maps they probably represent individual units. Heck, this is shown explicitly in Radiant Dawn when the Laguz Alliance attacks the Begnion Central Army; the in-engine cutscenes show a few tens of units, but the pre-rendered scenes show hundreds.

I wonder if Three Houses will include the team-up mechanic from Awakening and Fates. The initial reveal stressed formations and implied that having many fighters in each unit might not be just an aesthetic consideration, so perhaps if two units are teamed up, the active unit will depend on which direction they're attacked from.

I had assumed that one unit was only one unit, it's just that in big outdoor battles there were a bunch of unnamed, unseen soldiers on both sides clashing out of view.

Fates Chapter 6 kinda suggests this, you can see warring soldiers in the distance when the map zooms in on a specific fight.

I'm pretty sure in Fates they explicitly say that all the playable units are far and beyond normal soldiers- I think something along the lines of each unit being the strength of an army? Whatever the line is I feel like it's always been implied that all our units are leagues beyond any normal solider.

Wonder when we'll get to see more characters from Three Houses. Also wondering if we'll get any "non-human" races that aren't also dragons in this setting (like the laguz and taguel).

That's more or less how it's always been for named characters in a lot of video games. Fire Emblem just tends to demonstrate it more readily with juggernauts that murder their way through dozens of elite troops in a single EP. Like, in real life, even a two on one is a very worryingly bad match-up. In Fire Emblem, juggernauts routinely shrug off six on ones in a single turn without breaking a sweat. A really good older demonstration of this is the cutscene at the end of Radiant Dawn Part 2. Ike just strolls in and while holding Lucia in one hand, casually destroys three rebels with a single swing of his sword.

This is why I find defense missions hilarious.

Protagonist: "We won't be able to take them all. We just need to hold long enough for reinforcements to arrive."

Same Protagonist: *Murders the entire other side*

Edited by LordVatek on Oct 20th 2018 at 6:18:49 AM

To say nothing in PoR where he's canonically holding Leanne through three chapters and still fending off soldiers.

Edited by erazor0707 on Oct 20th 2018 at 3:26:43 AM

and most likely without holding his sword through most of it because he's level capped and you want to promote the others.

x2 There is an actual stat loss there, though, and since Ike isn't promoted at that point, it does demand some caution in gameplay, even if the story downplays it a bit (by throwing shade on Mist).

x3 Yeah, it is a bit odd. At least some of the defense maps take that possibility into account by allowing early victory through aggressively pushing out and murdering the enemy commander.

Edited by KuroiTsubasaTenshi on Oct 20th 2018 at 7:02:02 AM

I remember there was one Suikoden army fight like that where I got a lousy score the first time around because I killed enough of the enemy to drive them off and the game interpreted that as not holding out as long as I was supposed to.

@EpicBleye: Quite the opposite. I'm currently playing Fates , getting to the end of Revelation, and the only character said to be a one-person army is Benny, and even then it's clear the stories about him are exaggerated. We do also see Ryoma and Xander doing some epic stuff in cutscenes, but even then they fight at the heads of full armies.

Now to be fair we really shouldn't be looking at Fates for consistency or quality writing anyway

Nothing about Benny's strength is exaggerated he really is that strong. Not as strong as Effie, mind, but damn can he crack skulls with the best of them.

Man, I can't stand it when people diss Fates' writing. I'm not saying they're wrong but it probably has my favorite cast of characters in a game I've ever seen, wrapped around one of the best premises the series has ever though up. I just wish the follow-through wasn't so iffy.

Agreed. I also get annoyed when try to deflect positive comments about Fates with "Yeah but the writing sucks".

I found that the writing was generally fine. It was the plot itself that tended to be problematic.

The writing ''suuuuuucksssss~''.

There is a problem of consistency especially between chapters though.

I do like half of Fates's cast! The Birthright characters are largely one-note, shallow, and boring but the Conquest cast are (for the most part) incredibly well written and have a surprising amount of depth for most of them.

I will also say that the premise is so very good and the soundtrack is fucking godlike. And there are seeds of a really good and interesting plot in there.

It just bungles everything up so very hard.

I only have Conquest and Birthright; but I prefer the former, since it has an lot more depth in the main story.

what

Eh, I still hold Fates in general as "generally supbar with a few gems."

Of course, I also seem to be the only person here who likes Birthright far more than Conquest, soooo.

Edited by erazor0707 on Oct 21st 2018 at 7:35:48 AM

@23: I get to troll Iago and dance around Garon's cruelty instead of being on a kind of boring road trip.

Also, better difficulty.

Edited by RabidTanker on Oct 21st 2018 at 8:22:35 AM