The Total Drama series

He seems to be Justin with a bunch of personality traits swapped out to make him more effective as a villain. He just keeps the basic M.O., but that's a big "just". I guess the writers were unhappy that Justin never really accomplished much in TDA.

just watched Anything Yukon Do, I Can Do Better and I have two things to say

If Cody implied that he wants to see Sierra drown, He's a Jerk

Tyler might have made a reference to the very few tropes that cover him on the Characters page

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Can we PLEASE put Sierra down for Ax-Crazy now, or did we already?

Sierra isn't Ax-Crazy, just a loony fan.

Also, I wag my finger at Izzy not knowing what "radioactive" means, assuming she wasn't just fooling around with all that "someone stole our radio!" talk. I mean, isn't she supposed to have a 188 IQ?

There's Lonny Fan....then there's HER \\\

Yeah...it doesn't help that she now knows how to PARALYZE Cody! (spoiler-tagged if only because it's part of the latest episode.)

edited 14th Jul '10 8:58:49 AM by TechPowah

^^^Izzy may have a 188 IQ but it's attached to a Random Reality Generator. As for Alejandro, yeah he's Justin with a brain. I'm liking stalkerish Ezekiel hiding in the cargo bay. Reminding me of Gollum.

edited 14th Jul '10 10:24:50 AM by tricksterson

New York has aired, so, bump.

I gotta say, I think Owen rocked the song.

Those turtles, man. Those turtles...

Anyone think Sierra's plan will work?

edited 20th Jul '10 10:08:50 AM by TechPowah

I do.

Loved the New York episode. It's probably the funniest one so far. This whole season has been one big beard-growing moment.

The second season featured a lot of character derailment, true.

But Courtney... didn't get much of it, despite what people say.

She was abusive and selfish to a great degree even in season 1- just in a less obvious way than Heather. And with Heather toned down and Courtney now getting a much bigger role, her unpleasant personality is suddenly in plain sight.

Season 2 did 2 things with Courtney- she became louder(she is a lot noisier) and she suddenly got supercompetent at everything. Her physical strength, however, was hinted at in playa de losers.

Someone needs to smack me upside the head if I try to edit the wiki pages for this for a while, or else I'll get spoiled for everything again. You know, when someone asks whether a particular episode contains an elimination, including the leaked name of the person who does get eliminated doesn't actually contribute anything to the response.

Hello, I'm new here, I was wondering if somebody can help me around here cause I actually have some thoughts I was hoping to discuss.

^^^ Bullshit. Courtney was obnoxious, but she still had moral standards that clearly set her apart from Heather; that was made very clear in the "Lay o' the Losers" episode. She was like a harsh coach, not a manipulative bitch. And she only threatened to "call her lawyers" when she was actually wronged, rather than use it as a cheap threat.

Courtney was hit with Character Derailment big time in TDA; I'm glad this season she's being set right again.

I guess the writers were unhappy that Justin never really accomplished much in TDA.

Yeah, apparently they actually had wanted him to be a "master strategist" like he initially claimed to be, but realized that they had written him into a corner because all of his strategies relied solely on his looks. When people stopped paying attention to him, or his face got damaged, he couldn't cope or be effective. Alejandro seems to lack this problem, and is a much better villain because of it.

edited 23rd Jul '10 7:14:08 PM by ManwiththePlan

I'm guessing I'm on my own here huh?

Just go ahead and discuss them, New Guy.

Anyway, so far, I'm liking season three more than the other two, but I actually quite liked season two.

By the by, do you guys like Heather? I like Heather. I decided to ship her with Alejandro. Discuss.

Well if that's the case, I honestly have to say that Courtney is not a mary sue, annoying yes (though she is my fave TDI gal) but i got my reasons for why I personally believe she isn't a mary sue.

Heather's the best villain in the Total Drama series and I ship her with Harold

Alejandro's the best villain in the Total Drama series and I ship him with absolutely everyone.

Everyone.

Even Homeschool?

Alejandro is better than Justin, but not better than Heather.

Part of what makes Heather such a load of laughs is the extreme humiliation she's made to endure.

Its just my reason is that for regards of TDA, it was confirmed before the series aired that Courtney would return, despite the fact that in the TDDDI special, she didn't qualify. But the creators ensured she will return, which of course, got a of fans hyped. But when it showed that she actually returned in a most unpredictable manner (intended, it ain't called total DRAMA for nothing), everyone bitched, just no pleasing people.

What's even funnier is that a lot of people claim that Courtney is worse than Heather because of her actions in TDA. BULLSHIT. Heather was still worse than Courtney. How so? Well as seen in TDI, Heather's main skill to get herself farther was manipulating everyone (especially Lindsay and Beth the poor girls) and having them do the work for her while she gets herself farther. (And to which, Heather enjoys doing) Whereas Courtney, while she did use her lawyers to get back in and used them to threaten Chris at times (but Chris took advantage of that to cause most drama for the show, he's smarter than he lets on) without the lawyers, she actually plays the game by the rules. Though her competitiveness is what apparently drove the fans nuts (She's a stereotypical A-girl, what do you expect?) Courtney wasn't as good as Heather in terms of manipulation, due to her playing by the rules persona, Beth was smart enough not to fall for it, and convincing Harold to vote off Leshawna was more of Duncan's idea, Courtney agreed to help Duncan with the idea.

Another one I remember reading on here was about her role as a princess in the fairy tale challenge and she managed to get all the boys fall in love with her. Again, BULLSHIT. They only fell for the outer beauty (like how most princes fell for almost every disney princess, hint hint) and they're guys, its a hormone thing. Though of course the only guys of course she didn't swoon were Chris and Chef. (DUH) and like what Courtney admitted when Justin was voted off, she used him to get herself farther, part of her plan. And IRONY, Justin used his looks to manipulate others and get himself farther, karma finally got to him when he was manipulated by Courtney's looks to help herself get farther. So he got his just desserts for his role as antagonist. But what happens? The fans bitch about how she used "poor Justin", REMEMBER, he only fell for her OUTER BEAUTY, not her personality like Duncan did, remember, Justin's a vain guy. His vanity got him far and its his own vanity that cost him the prize.

I can still go on but I'll just stop here and see what everyone else thinks, to clarify, I DO NOT want to start a fight. Just bringing in my opinions.

Btw, for the other topic going on here, true that Heather is still a nasty antagonist, I'm actually liking how they're using Alejandro. He's really surprised me so far of how he's managing things, and I'll give them praise if they actually make him a dark character.

@Manwiththe Plan

"^^^ Bullshit. Courtney was obnoxious, but she still had moral standards that clearly set her apart from Heather;"

Yeah, it's not like she, in the first season, was a bully who abused her teammates(mostly mental abuse)? Oh yes. She did. For the whole first season, that was how she acted.

And her supposed standards was higly inconsistent anyway.

" that was made very clear in the "Lay o' the Losers" episode. She was like a harsh coach, not a manipulative bitch."

She doesn't need to be manipulative to be a bitch. And one episode in this series can be called an inconsistency- Gwen finally accepting Geoff in one episode- next she suddenly hated him- for the very same reason.

And no, she was not a harsh coach. A harsh coach allows each person the chance toprove themselves and berates them for failing to live up to their standards. Harsh but fair.

Courtney willingly shuts people out simply from personal dislike- very clear in the first season, with her treating a then innocent Harold worse than DUNCAN did.

Courtney isn't a harsh coach or a leader- she's a bully that expects everything to play by her rules. And she was that from the very beginning, though yes, she did get worse in TDA.

And her bullying was a constant, so it can't be blamed on inconsistent writing.

"Courtney was hit with Character Derailment big time in TDA; I'm glad this season she's being set right again."

Yes, she was hit with it. Again, not to nearly as large a degree as people think- her bad behavior was just more obvious with Heather being so subdued. Basically anyone who returned except Leshawna, Duncan and Harold matched her or beat her in derailment. Well, Justin can hardly be called derailed, he just grew a personality in TDA.

"Yeah, it's not like she, in the first season, was a bully who abused her teammates(mostly mental abuse)? Oh yes. She did. For the whole first season, that was how she acted."

Well as they say, games like that can bring out the worst in people which is the point, but I honestly did not see any manipulation from Courtney.

" that was made very clear in the "Lay o' the Losers" episode. She was like a harsh coach, not a manipulative bitch."

"She doesn't need to be manipulative to be a bitch. And one episode in this series can be called an inconsistency- Gwen finally accepting Geoff in one episode- next she suddenly hated him- for the very same reason."

well you gotta remember also, its trying to keep the continuity right is what what starts a path for a show to fail. We may not like what we see going on, but the show is supposed to be a satire of reality shows and they build drama on purpose for that exact reason. True it can get annoying, but I honestly myself don't let it get to me. After all, the show was just made for laughs. Characters can get annoying at times as well as lovable, and THAT'S THE POINT.

"And no, she was not a harsh coach. A harsh coach allows each person the chance to prove themselves and berates them for failing to live up to their standards. Harsh but fair.

"Courtney willingly shuts people out simply from personal dislike- very clear in the first season, with her treating a then innocent Harold worse than DUNCAN did."

Again, stereotypes, she is a prep like what you get in a sterotypical high school setting, what more does everyone want? We may not like it, but damn it, its just that kind of thing that keeps us watching the show.

"Courtney isn't a harsh coach or a leader- she's a bully that expects everything to play by her rules. And she was that from the very beginning, though yes, she did get worse in TDA.

And her bullying was a constant, so it can't be blamed on inconsistent writing."

Well again, she is a perfectionist, that's her stereotype. She's always striving to win and will do anything to do it. Infact, her character was based off of Reese Witherspoon's character Tracey from the movie "Election" that also stars Matthew Broderick.

Matthew Broderick: "That's a lot of fish."

I watch that movie and I TOTALLY saw the reference, and honestly, Tracey was WORSE compared to Courtney, Courtney's character is exaggerated, like all the other stereotypes on the show.

"Courtney was hit with Character Derailment big time in TDA; I'm glad this season she's being set right again."

"Yes, she was hit with it. Again, not to nearly as large a degree as people think- her bad behavior was just more obvious with Heather being so subdued. Basically anyone who returned except Leshawna, Duncan and Harold matched her or beat her in derailment. Well, Justin can hardly be called derailed, he just grew a personality in TDA."

While that can be agreed a bit, I personally think they were just going in a different direction from TDI, I mean if they were to do the same thing with the characters like what happened in TDI, TDA would be so predictable that no one would watch it.

But to be honest, I think the other reason why I also defend Courtney's character is that after learning that her voice actress, Emile Claire Barlow, really enjoys playing the character, just finds her a lot of fun. So when I hear her performance, I can't help but get a giggle for how she's acting and can't help but think that Emile must've laughed too after playing Courtney at times. Oh and before anyone jumps on me here, Emile actually said in her interview that asides from Courtney, her fave character was Harold.

Not trying to force my opinion down anyone's throats, but I just have this feeling that when it comes to Courtney here, there's no love for her. I mean I don't like Heather myself but I didn't come here to rant on about her character. But again, just my thoughts.

"Even Homeschool?"

Yes, even Homeschool. Dohoho.

Also, 100th post. I feel special.