Rename: Those Two Bad Guys

Those Two Bad Guys

Okay, this is just confusing. So this is a pair of bad guys who have Seinfeldian Conversations in a sophistercated accent?

Admittedly, the page isn't very clear about that.

At all.

edited 28th Jun '10 12:39:04 PM by ACDrawings

When All Else Fails, you have fun and flirt wit da ladies, dats da Drawings way!

^^ Yep. That's pretty much the trope in a nutshell. You'd be surprised how common it is.

^ It's not just that though. It's about the accents and the characterization and they way that they talk. There's even a sterotypical accent for them. Basically, they're two bad guys that talk exactly like the trope example.

edited 28th Jun '10 12:41:11 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

Ah, I take it you didn't see the asterisk'd footnote at the bottom of the description then. Go on, look, and you'll find my exact quote.

Come back after you've clicked it and tell me what you see.

When All Else Fails, you have fun and flirt wit da ladies, dats da Drawings way!

I did read it. Those two sentances just aren't the entirety of the trope.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

It was the guide-danged summary of the whole thing in a guide-danged foot-note!

But I'm not going to argue this with you, no, I require the intent of the creator and the input of everyone else before I affirm my viewpoint as fact, so I shall wait.

When All Else Fails, you have fun and flirt wit da ladies, dats da Drawings way!

I think the accent requirement is overly specific, lots of the examples don't have it.

I just don't like the format. Big Words = teel deer.

Definitely needs a rewrite. And possibly a rename. I've seen this archetype a few times, it's very recognizable - smart guy dumb guy, plus a good deal of exposition drop, plus villain henchmen.

BTW, I'm a chick.

I always assumed it was Those Two Guys, but for villains. :/

Since this was posted, I've kind of been thinking about splitting it into two tropes- in that there's a comical version (i.e. the two men in Kiss Me Kate or the pirates in Pirates Of The Caribbean) and a threatening one (Croup and Vandemar in Neverwhere). What do others think?

Hodor

If we can find a couple good names and descriptions for both types, then by all means.

Well, I kind of thought maybe Those Two Mooks versus Those Two Bad Guys.

Hodor

Those Two Villians perhaps?

Those Two Mooks is better because they're never the guys in charge. They always work for someone.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

Support Those Two Mooks.

These are definitely two tropes in one here.

Would you kill your best friend, can you save yourself?

Both of them have exposition parts?

This is just Mooks doing As You Know dialog, isn't it?

edited 16th Jul '10 1:05:04 AM by eyeresist

Forgive me for doing the Lumper thing, but I read the description of the trope as somewhat fanciful, and distilled it down to "two mooks, who are physically and temperamentally distinct, have significant screen/page time, and are used for exposition." I ignored the speech mannerism requirement as being overly narrow; it seems pointless to add, "and talk in this very specific speech pattern."

Certainly the name doesn't lend itself to the more specific interpretation, but making it a Super-Trope would render the "speech mannerism" version The Same But More Specific.

I say expand the definition and remove some of the more colorful, pedantic restrictions.

edited 16th Jul '10 6:16:52 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"

^ Agree with Fighteer on all points. As is, it's too precisely defined.

Would you kill your best friend, can you save yourself?

This. Is the trope definition. Basically, I was using Croup and Vandemar as an self-demonstrating example. They don't need to talk in the same manner, though many do, and they don't need to be Brains and Brawn, though a lot are. Certain words in the description may be changed, but I do think overall, that it demonstrates the trope incredibly well.

Edit: I edited the description somewhat. See if it's alright now.

edited 16th Jul '10 9:49:02 PM by alliterator

The new description looks good, but I don't think it needs to be renamed. At least five times in real life, when talking with others about this type of character, someone's used the phrase "those two bad guys." Cuz... what else do you call them? I think it's a good, intuitive title.

new veterinary student, free time = eat and sleep. ttyl tv tropes.

This post was thumped by the Eldritch Flyswatter of Horror

New theme music also a box

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That much on the trope. As for the name, I'm for keeping it. Those Two Bad Guys is really similar to Those Two Guys, in tha they're side characters that bring comic relfief and/or exposition through their dialogue.

The problem is though, the "main" description of Those Two Bad Guys are two villains who are always together and provide exposition while they're doing evil things, with comic relief only optional.

Though, again, one of the ideas presented is to split these two descriptions into seperate pages, with the ones that are serious examples staying on the original, with the comic relief examples going to a new trope (Those Two Mooks has been suggested for this new one).

I thought we'd settled on comic relief not being a requirement of the trope. Why bring this up again? My laconic version seems to be the one that is generally agreed upon:

"Two mooks, who are physically and temperamentally distinct, have significant screen/page time, and are used for exposition."

edited 2nd Aug '10 9:33:02 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"