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If it can be appropriately fleshed out, I don't see an issue.
Sorry for being a bit distant lately; been unusually inspired on a few other projects in the last few days.
Would anyone else on here object if I put up a page with a framework, and then we could go add tropes to it and build off of it at our discretion?
edited 18th Aug '10 10:36:01 AM by CaptainNapalm
Neither would I; that's how most of the pages I've worked on have been constructed.
...So it would be essentially a YKTTW? (except for a work that was born here). Sounds good. I'm all in to collab once I have the time.
No... RL doesn't let me put up the Surskit entry yet...
Yes... I am angry because of that...
It's up, feel free to start adding tropes fellow contributors...
I added a handful of tropes to the page; they mainly concern how dangerous we've made the Pokemon, as well as their unique biology.
Actually, could I also get some help making subpages? If you look carefully, you'll notice that the Nidoran entry link has been replaced with a link to a fresh subpage. Would anyone else here be willing to help me convert the others?
EDIT: v No problem, it's just that I've started formatting things diffently (after someone PMed me and pointed out that our materials on the fora could eventually be wiped due to indexing...) Here's the link...
edited 18th Aug '10 1:19:05 PM by CaptainNapalm
For the same of completeness we could add a subpage with the members, something akin to the author introductions found in the backcover of some books.
EDITed4Ninjaed.... also what is the problem with the Nidos entry again...?
EDITed4↑edit — thanks, I'll take some time to check that up.
EDITed again for correction... wow... I had never noticed! Despite having wrote the Nidoran entry I failed to address the question that the project introduction posts: What kind of nests do Nidoran build? — I'll have to address that one Soon... and get that fanart permission...- *feels TERRIBLY ashamed*
edited 18th Aug '10 1:41:00 PM by SilentReverence
Reverence, are you still editing the page? I can't add my stuff to it because you have the main page checked out still.
^ My bad dude, that was probably me, I just added my entries...
EDIT: A little heads-up, but if I created a subpage using someone else's entry (e.g. your Nidoran entry, SR), it's probably missing any blue links (just overwrite it with your own material to add the blue links)...
edited 18th Aug '10 2:04:40 PM by CaptainNapalm
↑↑No.... I finished early, but of course you already saw that.
↑Sure thing... will be editing the subpages for the entries I provided during the weekend (the Nidos today because they are my faves)
Err... hold on a second. While I think a page on the Pokédex thread is fine, creating a couple hundred subpages on TV Tropes may be a bit much. ._.;
Granted, it'd be nice to have some wikispace so that more than two people can edit each entry... but this likely isn't the place.
^ IDK, sure didn't bug the staff members on this thread...
Hadn't considered that. I see no problem if they see no problem. Taking the whole "lifetime of forum threads" thing, using the wiki space for things that are, more or less, suppossed to be wiki, is not bad stuff. I'm not sure how much of a good idea a wiki space in TV Tropes is (ie.: pages are world-writable, not that it is bad but it means an expectancy to keep them in check) but I think once we get to a relatively, consensus-assumed "finished state", moving the project to the Troper Works section, or its adequate analogue, would be great.
(In any case if there is any reason to go away I think I can provide some web space for the project... would have to ask about it)
edited 18th Aug '10 2:53:22 PM by SilentReverence
I'm embarrassed to ask this, but I'm unsure as to how I should add my entries as trope articles.
^ Just hold on a sec, Tangent is mulling whether or not we should continue what we're doing...
It's looking like it's probably ok (I had forgotten the AATAFOVS precedent), but I'm waiting to be sure.
edited 18th Aug '10 3:07:41 PM by Tangent128
This might be a little soon, but have we got a verdict?
Just a suggestion, but if subpage proliferation is a concern, we could always go the way of TOW and group entries in blocs...
Well, far as I can tell nobody has a problem with the subpages, though there are some concerns over the number ballooning.
Madrugada's suggested, however, that the project may fit better with its own wiki.
Hrm, perhaps we can resolve our issue about a proliferation of subpages on our page via a reorganization along the following lines:
In such an arrangement, we could cut the number of subpages down from over 80 to just over a half dozen. And the stuff we've got now can just be cut after we're done...
EDIT: v Wut...
edited 18th Aug '10 10:15:33 PM by CaptainNapalm
This is true! But dicks and cunts are bade MOO!
^...And that's why I don't log in to TV Tropes or other services at a cibercafé. * And by that, I mean both things
So, what will it be? If we stay here (I mean we as in the Project, here as in TV Tropes), I'd rather keep one page per evolution line as is done at the current stage — a page per generation or a page per type will get longcat long, cumbersome to read (even assuming not everyone will go to my extent of WallOfTexting) and prone to internal inconsistencies until an entire section-page is homologized by itself, I'd guess. That said, this project does not intend to do as final print, so those three matters hardly... er... matter.
On the other hand hosting it elsewhere and doing it wiki style will give us a sort of independence and editorial "liberty", but also going to change the way most of us relate to the project — ie.: having to sign up elsewhere, maybe transferring autorship, dealing with a Manual of Style and some background decisions to be made about what or how goes into an entry that, right now, are being dealt in a more informal but amicable and productive manner.
I'm sure there's more to it, but I'm throwing my 0.161 Hryvnias because I'm tired and have to go sleep.
Which reminds me... which entry is going to (have to?) deal with Sleep Talk?
And only a month or so after I said I'd do it, here's the Raikou entry some of it shamelessly copypasted from my Suicune one.
Raikou is a large quadrupedal Pokémon with primarily feline characteristics. It is lean and muscular, standing approximately six feet tall. Its fur is short and yellow, patterned with black designs, and its underbelly and muzzle are white. Its forehead is covered with a black mask, and a light blue mustache-like plate adorns the lower half of its face — between these features, its bright red eyes are clearly visible, and two long sabre-like teeth jut down below the mustache plate. A lavender mane that resembles a billowing thundercloud covers the length of its back, and its tail is teal and jagged like a lightning bolt with a scourge-like star at its tip.
It is widely believed that only one Raikou exists. Its gender is unknown, or indeed if gender is even applicable to it.
The most well-known legend concerning Raikou is that of the destruction of Tin Tower (see Ho-oh: Lore and History). After the tower burned down, Ho-oh took pity on three Pokémon that perished in the collapse and resurrected them as the Legendary Beasts of Johto. One of them became Raikou, an embodiment of the lightning that set the tower alight, tasked to carry its rumble and roar to the corners of the earth. Though Ho-oh's ability to resurrect a dead Pokémon is in question, skeptics admit that no evidence, legend, or sighting accounts of Raikou date further back than 500 years when the tower's collapse was recorded by Ecruteak scribes.
A second legend claims that Raikou's stormcloud mane renders it capable of flight. While its ability to outright fly is unlikely, the casual observer could be forgiven for assuming thus. Like the other two Legendary Beasts of Johto, it is capable of great leaps through the air. Raikou has been observed to leap the height of city buildings and skim the bottom of low-hanging storm clouds to feed.
Rumor has it that Raikou is also capable of telepathic communication. Though never directly observed in this particular Pokémon, it is plausible; extremely high intelligence tends to be status quo among Legendaries, and League Rangers have observed Raikou to possess rudimentary psychic abilities such as Extrasensory. Additionally, its fellow Legendary Beast Entei is known to communicate in this manner.
Raikou is known for its impressive speed, stamina, and its tendency to roam. Extended encounters are virtually unheard of. Those who sight Raikou describe a sharp drop in barometric pressure and a static charge in the air. Raikou typically flees when seen, though it will occasionally make its exit by leaping hundreds of feet into the air and touching the bottom of low storm clouds, generating an impressive flash of plasma that can be seen and heard for miles.
The barometric change that follows Raikou is quite noticeable to meteorological equipment; this makes Raikou much easier to track than any other Legendary at large, and even a civilian with a good eye can sometimes identify Raikou's trail on ordinary televised weather reports. The relative ease of tracking Raikou has resulted in a good deal more observational data concerning Raikou than most Legendaries, but has also led to its being quite harried. Amateur chasers have hounded it ever since modern weather monitoring equipment has been able to trace it. This trend spiraled out of control until it entered legislation — while those who chase most other Legendaries are tolerated so long as the chaser behaves responsibly, pursuit of Raikou by any means is now punishable by a heavy fine and jail time.
Illicit organizations continue to harrass Raikou. Three years ago, Team Rocket launched an extended campaign to capture the Legendary; Raikou was critically injured and dragged to the Cherrygrove Pokémon Center for treatment. In more recent days, Raikou was sighted in Orre during the Cipher/Snagem incident, and though the local government has kept it closely under wraps, it is believed that Raikou was temporarily captured by the criminal organization.
In light of this, it's no wonder that Raikou is even more skittish around humans than the other Legendary Beasts of Johto. Raikou typically flees the moment it is seen, and though it was once known to assist travelers like the other Beasts, it has ceased to do so since the explosion of chasing incidents. League Rangers have kept tabs on Raikou, and have reportedly made its legally-protected status clear to it and provided amnesty on occasion. The Rangers continue to confront Raikou at carefully staggered intervals, with the aim of restoring relations with it.
Raikou has never been observed eating anything in the conventional manner, but Ranger reports confirm that it feeds by absorbing electrical energy in the air. Its habit of leaping into the air to skim storm clouds is the most iconic way that Raikou accomplishes this, though if none are around it may venture to rural substations and leech charge from there.
Raikou is an extremely powerful Electric-type Pokémon. Raikou is known to generate thunderclouds that can drop enormous lightning bolts from above, or simply fire them from its own body — either source can reduce entire stretches of earth to smoking glass. During the Team Rocket incident, a civilian observed Raikou using these thunderclouds from approximately one mile away to "snipe" its pursuers' machinery.
In addition to its sheer electrical power, Raikou displays a startling array of supplementary offensive techniques. Raikou may generate rainstorms to facilitate electrical conduction, assault a target's mind with Extrasensory, or lash out with a Dark-powered Crunch. Rangers have also observed Raikou to use moves such as Shadow Ball and Iron Tail, following a suspiciously-timed theft of related TMs from their outpost. Though it prefers to stay at range, Raikou's overwhelming speed and physical prowess make it a deadly force at close range as well.
Raikou, like all Legendaries, is exceedingly powerful, on the approximate level of the A-teams of some of the most powerful Gym Leaders in Johto. It will generally flee on sight without incident, and thus should not be feared if sighted — by the time a trainer realizes it's there, it likely no longer will be. However, pursuit or forcing it to fight using Mean Look or other means is not only inadvisable and utterly foolish, but illegal due to the extent of its harrassment.
Raikou's origins and motives are as yet unconfirmed — it is widely assumed through the origin legend that Raikou and the other Legendary Beasts still answer to Ho-oh as servants. Ho-oh and its current trainer refuse to comment on this, however.
Also, it's pronounced rye-koh, not rye-coo. And now you know.
edited 3rd Sep '10 12:05:22 AM by Pykrete
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