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#12626: Jul 4th 2020 at 9:55:19 PM
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#12627: Jul 4th 2020 at 10:08:03 PM

It'll be best if we find something else to talk about. This is no place to discuss Rowling's political views.

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#12628: Jul 4th 2020 at 10:23:18 PM

Does anyone else keep forgetting that Astronomy is one of the core classes at Hogwarts?

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#12629: Jul 4th 2020 at 10:33:14 PM
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#12630: Jul 4th 2020 at 11:54:20 PM

Aside from one troper, i don't see many people here defending Rowling.

[up][up] What use would Astronomy have for Wizards? It ain't like FF XIV where the stars are important for Astrologian magic.

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#12631: Jul 5th 2020 at 12:01:48 AM

Astrology is a lot like Muggle Math, where a basic knowledge of it is necessary for other fields.

The three other Hogwarts classes I can think of the top of my head that need it are Potions, Herbology, and Divination.

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#12632: Jul 5th 2020 at 12:05:53 AM

[up] Well i remember that certain potions are affected by the moon, and Divination is a given, but Herbology?

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 5th 2020 at 12:07:00 PM

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#12633: Jul 5th 2020 at 12:11:17 AM

For some reason, I thought mandrake's phases were tied to the moon for some reason.

That being said, I wouldn't doubt there being some sort of plant being tied to the moon phases or even some stars.

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#12634: Jul 5th 2020 at 1:26:10 AM

I've thumped the entire conversation. Debates about an author's personal beliefs in a thread on their works are seldom a good idea and this one very much shows why. Also, ~Kickisan, the rules about bigotry on the forum are not there for decoration. We don't want transphobic commentary on the forum at all.

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#12635: Jul 5th 2020 at 1:30:19 AM

Were there other centaurs besides Firenze in the series? I feel like there were but for the life of me can't remember their names.

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#12636: Jul 5th 2020 at 1:36:22 AM

I can remember Bane off the top of my head, but I looked it up and there were two others named in the Books. Ronan and Magorian.

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#12637: Jul 5th 2020 at 3:36:16 AM

Basically the tl;dr is Death of the Author, let's move on

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#12638: Jul 5th 2020 at 5:33:51 PM

I've been wondering, how well would a guy like Draco fare when placed into the role of Harry Potter?

Like he has full memories of his life as Draco but suddenly is living Harry's life from the start of chapter 2 of Philosopher's stone.

Considering jealousy is what motivates our favorite white supremacist I MEAN pure blood supremacist, this would be interesting to think about.

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#12639: Jul 6th 2020 at 12:27:03 AM

Well for one thing there is zero chance of him getting the stone out of the Mirror of Erised so that changes a lot re: Voldemorts plans

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#12640: Jul 6th 2020 at 1:03:35 AM

[up] I would wonder how Draco would feel upon meeting Dudley and the rest of the Dursleys.

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#12641: Jul 6th 2020 at 1:05:50 AM

Disgust mixed with a sense of vindication for his bigotry.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#12642: Jul 6th 2020 at 1:09:03 AM

It would be interesting to see Draco actually on the other side of being bullied and utterly helpless without his magic.

Now imagine the rest of the events playing out exactly as they do in canon despite Draco's attitude.

Like somehow becoming friends with Hermione and Ron despite utterly hating them and that his insults seem to go over their heads. Or he keeps foiling Voldemort's plans despite trying his best to join him.

Then Harry has Draco's life and Draco has to experience being the one bullied by the snooty magic elitist.

This isn't a Draco redemption story(Ugggh) But it would be interesting to see him somewhat humbled.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 6th 2020 at 1:09:35 AM

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#12643: Jul 6th 2020 at 1:13:25 AM

It would feel forced and artificial though, since it would require people to act as if they were being railroaded in following canon beats. Why the hell would Hermione or Ron be friends with Draco if he acted the same way?

If anything, Draco would find the whole thing creepy.

Also, a Draco redemption story would be redundant. Since in canon he already does become redeemed. He makes a point of not raising his own child to be a bigot.

Draco's canon redemption started the moment he refused to actually kill Dumbledore in Book 6. That also causes a shift in how Harry sees Draco. This leads to Harry's efforts to save Draco in the last book, which leads to Draco's mother Narcissa helping Harry and sealing Tom's fate in the process.

Edited by M84 on Jul 6th 2020 at 4:31:08 PM

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#12644: Jul 6th 2020 at 1:56:28 AM

I've been wondering, how well would a guy like Draco fare when placed into the role of Harry Potter?

Like he has full memories of his life as Draco but suddenly is living Harry's life from the start of chapter 2 of Philosopher's stone.

How much you wanna bet that's already a fanfic?

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#12645: Jul 6th 2020 at 2:10:21 AM

[up][up] I was thinking it would be more of a comedy really.

Like Harry Potter and the Something Something.

[up] Probably, Harry Potter Fanfiction is a pathway to many stories, some consider to be unnatural.

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#12646: Jul 6th 2020 at 5:56:42 AM

[up] Now you're mixing fandoms. Which admittedly is something fanfic does a lot of. (I'm sure there are plenty of Star Wars and Potter fic out there...)

I'm imagining a variant where Harry and Draco get their lives switched halfway through book two as you said above... and figure out what's happened to each other, but don't really want their friends to know and have hope they can figure out how to switch back before they notice. So they actually have to work together.

...My mind may be weird.

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#12647: Jul 19th 2020 at 11:01:27 PM

So, hypothetically speaking, say there was a Massive Multiplayer Crossover video game featuring characters from various children's books, with the intent of the game becoming a celebration of the medium as a whole in the same way Super Smash Bros has become to gaming, or Super Robot Wars has become to the Humongous Mecha genre, etc.

In light of recent events, would it be okay to include the Harry Potter franchise in something like this? On one hand, JKR doesn't deserve support anymore, but on the other hand, Harry Potter is, y'know, Harry Potter, and on some level, excluding it feels more like punishing the fanbase for the author's shitty viewpoints. And you know a lot of people wouldn't care and just complain about Harry Potter's exclusion regardless of the reason.

Would it be more acceptable to have Harry Potter in it if this was just a fangame, meaning that JKR wouldn't get any compensation for it (even though that would mean no other author from any of the other represented books would get anything either)? And that's assuming the fangame doesn't receive a C&D order.

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#12648: Jul 20th 2020 at 12:54:50 AM

Ehhh, doesn't sound like a good idea. And additionally if it's to celebrate children's stories, making it a video game would be missing the point.

As for Rowling, sweet jesus, it feels like people are ganging up on the fanbase for liking the books because of JK Rowling's shitty twitter rants making it seem that liking the books makes you a homo and transphobic person.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 20th 2020 at 12:56:54 PM

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#12649: Jul 20th 2020 at 12:58:30 AM

Wait, didn't a bunch of thumps already happen over this topic?

Edited by M84 on Jul 21st 2020 at 3:59:46 AM

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#12650: Jul 20th 2020 at 1:40:46 AM

[up] Ehhh, as long as we talk about the state of the Harry Potter fandom instead of Rowling's politics, i think we should be fine.

Like sure what she said was shitty, but it doesn't change i've had good times with this franchise and am not pretending it was always terrible and racist.

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