There's a lot to do: Nightmare Fuel

The Nightmare Fuel entry.

I think we all know that it has undergone Trope Decay. People take it as something that is remotely scary, instead of the whole kids thing and everything. The title is misleading, too. Maybe if we could slap something about kids in the title (something like Childish Nightmare Fuel) we could be better.

Second, the first time I was there (Maybe late 14s or early 15s, or a little bit longer) I was totally freaked out by this black-eyed bunny holding a little smiling girl. I don't know if it was meant to be symbolic or something like that (kids being scared and everything), but maybe the image crosses into the High Octane line? Or maybe we need an entry for teens (there's a great deal of differences between children-teen-adults after all) or something like that. I don't know if it is still there because I haven't entered again (call me a coward or whatever, I've seen worse examples).

Third, at least the Disney Theme Parks page, is practically nothing but self-inserts. I'm tired of salvaging examples, I just wanna nuke whatever contains a self-insert. I want to at least request this one page getting nuked.

Fourth, I don't know if it exists and it is in full use, but the examples themselves are terrible. I agree witht he Haunted Mansion ride having it's page (it also scared me when I was about 10 and I knew English), but seriously? Check the Kingdom Hearts page (I don't know how to link to non-main articles). The image is an awful example. The Nobodies are not creepy at all. Neither is that thing whose name I don't remember. We need a Troper Tales page for people who don't do the research and just put their own examples. I've always assumed that on subjective tropes, people did know (or researched) how people generally thought about the work at hand. This proves not all of them know. Refering back to the page I posted, there's an example of It's A Small World. was like 7 when I first went, along with two little sisters (on of maybe 5 and the other one around 3) and none of us were remotely scared. So, we need a Troper Tales page for people that do this.

Sorry if this has been done before recently, but it bugs me a lot.

Thoughts?

The bunny image is fine the way it is. It's pretty much the epitome of Nightmare Fuel, given that it was unintentional scary when it and during it was taken, and was only frightening after she sees it. Do not change the image, otherwise we'll just get in a huge debate over it and nothing will get accomplished. High Octane Nightmare Fuel is imagery that is intentionally supposed to be scary, so it wouldn't work. It's fine where it is.

Intentional or not, it freaked me out >_>. I couldn't get out of my room at night without using my will in one or two weeks. And I wasn't going to change it. Not that I know how to anyway.

Anyway, aren't there cases were writers try to scare children? Even if it's just a bit? I need a deeper explanation of both tropes.

So? Intentional or Not, Nightmare Fuel is scary. That's why it's called Nightmare Fuel as opposed to something like Fetish Fuel (although the two frequently overlap at times).

And Yes, I do agree that not a lot of the examples on that page really do make a lot of sense (Care Bears? Really?), but even moreso I think that High Octane Nightmare Fuel is in more need of a change. A reason why a lot of the "kiddie" examples on the NF page are there is because there's still an Animation Age Ghetto and such an opposition for animated things to be allowed on the HONF page, which is why they get moved to regular Nightmare Fuel.

But yeah, a lot of the current examples could be fit under one page.

That Animation Age Ghetto thing is basically that animation is suited only for children right?

And I still vote we rename NF to something that reflects children, like my OP said.

HONF could also use one, since it sounds as an extreme version of NF.

Erm, well, I think the problem with renaming it solely because it's for kids isn't quite the best reason. While there are a lot of examples on that page that really are meant for kids, the general rule about Nightmare Fuel is "things that are unintentionally frightening". There is a lot of stuff on Nightmare Fuel page that isn't just meant for kids.

However, should we rename NF and HONF, I think we need a better name that describes their difference. Or tell posters to RTFP.

sorry, duplicate

edited 23rd Sep '10 7:16:36 PM by Mattonymy

RTFP? What does that mean?

And what do you think about Unintentional Nightmare Fuel and Intentional Nightmare Fuel?

There have been many battles back and forth over these pages, you do not want to bring them back here.

It was tentatively agreed last time that Nightmare Fuel is "Wasn't intended to be scary, but is." and High Octane is "Was intended to be scary, and succeeded very well."

But I think we can all agree that people just don't get the point of it, and that many examples are clearly from cowards (like I said, the KH page has an awful image to describe NF, and many examples just don't make since, like in 358/2 Days, Sora's face with a female voice was listed. I saw an example of It's A Small World on the Disney Theme Parks page (which I still say it's worth a nuke on it, since there's hardly, if any, an example without a self-insert).

People obviously are asking for attention for putting so stupid things like that.

Really, looking at those Nightmare Fuel pages, I have to say Encyclopedia Dramatica has a point.

Tropers are gigantic fucking pussies that shit their pants every time the ice cream truck comes around the corner.

The Doctor Who theme music is listed as especially terrifying Nightmare Fuel.

I think we really need to do something about those pages.

edited 20th Sep '10 1:13:07 AM by Metalhead467

The Web section is especially annoying. Slender Man? Kikia? None of these are for children, and are supposed to be scary!

Also, the Homestuck subpage. Homestuck is not for kids!

And yes, the tropers do make themselves look like scaredy cats who piss their pants every single time a character freakin' frowns!

edited 20th Sep '10 4:12:45 AM by Korodzik

We got rid of the for kids bit about a year ago. The split is now just Nightmare Fuel - Scary, but not supposed to be. And High Octane Nightmare Fuel - Scary and supposed to be scary but goes way to far. The problem was that they people could decide where the cut off on for kids was.

edited 20th Sep '10 8:16:40 AM by shimaspawn

Doesn't change the fact that maybe we're better off cutting the page or something, since not many of the examples make sense.

And if no one has objections, I will delete the Disney Theme Parks page. I'll let the Haunted Mansion one stay, partialy because I know that there will probably be one of those portraits that are shown at the beggining of the ride, and also because that page probably makes sense. DTP is full of "this troper". CTRL + F it and tell me how many you find.

Double post? Wonder what happened.

edited 20th Sep '10 12:50:09 PM by alfredo094

It's a subjective trope. You don't get to cut pages because they don't scare you. As for the this troper, those can be rephrased so they aren't first person like they are everywhere else in the wiki.

edited 20th Sep '10 1:50:37 PM by shimaspawn

Just because something is not meant for kids doesn't mean it's supposed to be scary. For example, a lot of Dead Baby Comedy can be terrifying to kids who happen to catch it or adults who aren't into that type of humor, but the target audience are the type who would just laugh it off.

I have some on my watchlist because I cleared them out before. I'll go over those. I'll admit, the natter wasn't really dealt with before because we were targeting far more on incorrect examples.

So, I can nuke the page I proposed? I'm tired of salvaging stuff just because people can put an example correctly.

Anyway, while it is a subjective trope, some examples are just so ridiculous that the person that edited them in either:

a) Was seeking for attention b) Was desperate to make a contribution/add an example c) Has to get inside his room and never, ever go out, play video games, or watch TV.

Not to mention, these examples make tropers look like... what's the soft word? Cowards?

Maybe we should limit examples on Nightmare Fuel and High Octane Nightmare Fuel to only things which are widely considered to be so.

Aren't people who add subjective examples supposed to research the general thoughts about the example at hand?

edited 20th Sep '10 7:13:41 PM by alfredo094

Sorry if this is besides the current point of discussion, but I'm a little confused about the indexing of Nightmare Fuel/HONF, as each are currently listed under Horror Tropes and Just for Fun. Additionally, HONF is listed as a subtrope of Nightmare Fuel, which is nonsense given the current descriptions.

I actually think that HONF should be separated entirely from Nightmare Fuel, in name and link-relation. All the page describes is media that is intended to be scary and succeeds, which places it in a lot closer proximity to the "crowning moment" tropes.

edited 20th Sep '10 7:28:28 PM by Rhatahema

Different people find different things scary. There is really no "right or wrong" as to what someone happens to be scared of.

Also, as for some of the really silly examples...this is not High Octane Nightmare Fuel. Scenes that scared us when we were five aren't necessarily going to still be scary to us as adults.

edited 20th Sep '10 11:21:51 PM by endangeredmonkey

Well, there's Primal Fear, but that's a special case.

That's besides the point. Being a subjective trope doesn't make this Troper Tales. I thought people actually researched the general thoughs about the example they're adding, and not just add them straight away.

And being a kid or not is not the full point. I'm not an adult, and I can't see things like Zombieland because live action blood like that freaks me out. When my friends saw it I was the full movie turned backwards while they were laughing quite a lot. The page doesn't even have HONF there. So that means I'm one in many. The point here is: I'm scared with blood and stuff like that easily, yet those things never scared me. We should make a Troper Tales page for people who don't research what they add, and maybe restart the page or something. Haven't browsed it, but I've seen complaints about it.

And this is the last time I'm saying that I'm going to nuke the disney theme parks NF page. If no one says anything about it on the next post I'll do it.