Some issues here: Unconventional Learning Experience

Problem one: All of the examples were shoved into Troper Tales. I realize that it's somewhat subjective, but was that strictly necessary?

Problem two: The description is terrible. The only clue to what it's supposed to be about is the title, now that the examples aren't readily accessible.

...Wait. Issue one: why were the examples thrown into Troper Tales? Was this deemed as subjective, Not A Trope (but I'm sur eit is) or something?

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It seems to have been moved to Troper Tales because the examples are, by definition, a personal experience that others will likely not share, which is what troper tales are for.

The definition seems to boil down to "This show was most certainly not intended to educate someone, but This Troper learned something from it anyway."

Bullshit.

Troper Tales are first-person experiences with the trope. "This happenbed to me". "My friend had this happen." If we're going to call any example "subjective" and a troper tale because "one troper thinks it applies", every single example in the whole damn wiki will be on the Tropert Tales pages.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

That seems a little...charged Mad.

In any case what I meant was, there are certain tropes that are entirely objective. If you point at a certain character and define him as a Big Bad, chances are anyone else you ask will agree.

This page however, in its current wording at least, is a personal experience, not something you can objectively state in any way shape or form for anyone other than yourself.

The setup as it is right now is terrible though, the examples from the main page were just shunted into troper tales, that's not a good way to go about things. Troper Tales is formated very differently.

The main issue here is if this should be clarified in a way that changes it from "personal" to "subjective," or if we should just clean up the Troper Tales page and leave it be to accrue anecdotes.

You're right, that was harsh. I apologize. But really. Not one of the examples was written as a first-person personal experience, and several of them were specifically "parents (or teachers) report".

If any example that is based on personal opinion is a troper tale, what counts as a "real" example that deserves to be on the main page?

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

I recall someone linking a story where kids who played Dn D had significantly larger vocabularies than before they started and beyond their grade level.

Fight smart, not fair.

Examples based on facts. Like citing the aleph stuff in More Than Infinite. But I see the point.

Anyway, I don't see why the examples as put now would have to be under Troper Tales. Troper Tales is "this happened to me about this trope". Most of the examples I saw at the YKTTW, and most examples I'd guess reasonable people would come by with, would be "fact X can be tangentially learnt from show Y". That's definitively not subjective, nor a "tale".

edited 27th Sep '10 10:12:46 PM by SilentReverence

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^ Thank you. That's what I was trying to say before my frustration got in the way.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

I agree that this can be done objectively. It's been working fine for its inverse, Fun for Some.

I certainly agree that the page as is is terrible, but I don't think the decision to move things to troper tales was the problem, rather, the fact that the third person example list was just shunted over there with no revision.

Assuming we don't revise this trope too much, I think the main page could be for verifiable studies into this (Dn D increasing vocabulary even as various groups decry it as the game of the devil for example), and leave the Troper Tales page for personal examples that most people wouldn't share ("I was playing Super Mario Brothers one day and realized something about how I act in a game as opposed to real life").

We should definitely restrict page examples to stuff mentioned in actual news reports, and the anecdotal stuff (like my Pacman example in the YKTTW) in Troper Tales.

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