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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#187751: Nov 28th 2021 at 12:15:51 AM

There's something hilarious about DP's absurd level jump in the Elite 4 being retroactively a good thing with these remakes.

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#187752: Nov 28th 2021 at 12:15:52 AM

I'll admit it's very frustrating - I managed to find the Pokemon I wanted for my team in the Grand Underground, but it's hard to really enjoy that when they just stomp everything without much effort on my part.

It's honestly kind of weird - they returned T Ms to single use (even handing out multiple copies of some), but then they keep mandatory Exp. Share. I don't get the logic.

The reworking of H Ms is a welcome change from the originals, at least. Hopefully in the future they'll realize that the Exp. Share is better when it's optional, and make that change too.

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#187753: Nov 28th 2021 at 1:07:27 AM

Or just make sure the game is actually balanced around the increased total exp yield.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#187754: Nov 28th 2021 at 1:35:13 AM

Remember that the old system encouraged using a single 'mon to blaze through the game.

Honestly, I'd say that the Exp Share is good enough, but, affection should be highly optional, as should the "heal on the field" minigame that boosts it. Merging it with happiness was not a good choice.

I mean, one thing is the experience not getting cut among the party, specially with the weighted gain system, but a different one is getting 1.5x just because, healing status at random, getting increased crit rate AND a Focus Band, all at once.

Exp Share? That way you aren't underleveled if you bother to grab a full team like the game keeps telling you. But, trying the camp minigame shouldn't mean walking around will flat out give those huge benefits eventually.

Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
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#187755: Nov 28th 2021 at 3:09:16 AM

I don't know how exactly the EXP Share works this go around but I thought I heard that Pokemon who don't battle only get half the amount of EXP.

He was the only one in Sw Sh who actually put up a fight.
There's also Hop in the postgame (At least that's the only time I actually struggled against/lost to him) but, yeah, if you don't use Eternatus to cheese the game Leon can be pretty brutal. I don't think I wouldn't have been him at all if I hadn't done that.

Edited by Chariot on Nov 28th 2021 at 6:09:40 AM

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#187756: Nov 28th 2021 at 5:46:07 AM

Affection boosts experience gained as pretty much its first effect.

The flat evasion boost, random status healing and focus band effect, and critical rate boost come later.

Shad0wSmoke Since: Nov, 2013
#187757: Nov 28th 2021 at 10:05:56 AM

How do people feel about the Cynthia battles now? This video contemplates her strength, and if she lives up to her Memetic Badass status.

This is for main game right? I think the strongest trainer in the whole series is still Pokemon Battle Revolution's Mysterial, another Gen IV game. Choice Scarf Kyogre with Hydration Manaphy and a bunch of other special legends.

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#187759: Nov 28th 2021 at 12:00:23 PM

Poor, poor Vespiqueen.

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#187760: Nov 28th 2021 at 12:18:25 PM

I'm going to guess what the takeaway from that is before watching it: "Vespiquen desperately, desperately wished it had substantially higher defenses."

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Vertigo_High Touch The Sky Since: May, 2010
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#187762: Nov 28th 2021 at 12:21:07 PM

>how do you not have trouble with cynthia

Like for all of Sinnoh's complaints regarding its pokemon selection, it does have some pretty powerful pokemon. Unlike Hoenn Or Johto where you're stuck with subpar pokemon for like majority of the playthrough you can get some very good pokemon comparatively easily especially in Platinum and BDSP. Spiritomb doesn't exactly hit hard, it just takes a while to KO. Any dark type with decent bulk can effectively wall and set up against it. Gastrodon loses to Roserade, as does Milotic. Lucario and her own Roserade are both frail, and she isn't using Togekiss this time so really only her Garchomp is a massive threat, and if you use trick room and a fairy or ice to supplement that it's fairly easy to deal with.

Leon's team is honestly harder to deal with IMO, especially since Aegislash is a stronger lead than Spiritomb. At least for this first go around.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#187763: Nov 28th 2021 at 12:27:21 PM

Cynthia was also much more likely to ambush players with a competently put together team than Leon is simply because there was just much less discussion on the internet at the time.

MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#187764: Nov 28th 2021 at 12:49:30 PM

Even though the one time she could be said to ambush players wasn't actually in Sinnoh.

I'm not saying that her team isn't a hurdle to overcome, but can it really be considered an ambush if the player is expecting to fight her anyway (and considering she's the Champ and by extension, the Final Boss, most prolly are expecting to fight her)?

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#187765: Nov 28th 2021 at 12:51:10 PM

[up]Isn't it a meme where people just stumble onto Cynthia by walking into an unassuming house?

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#187766: Nov 28th 2021 at 12:52:08 PM

That's why you don't go breaking into strangers' houses. At least not in Undella Town.

(Though remember, that villa was actually Caitlin's, not Cynthia's. She just lets people stay there.)

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#187767: Nov 28th 2021 at 1:42:17 PM

It's not like Cynthia forces you into a battle in BW, though. You can say no and walk away.

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#187768: Nov 28th 2021 at 3:15:40 PM

I can sort of see the thought process of talking to her and just thinking that it's a cute cameo like others of that kind.

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#187770: Nov 29th 2021 at 12:31:51 PM

...Does anyone else not hate the return of one-use TMs if they give multiple copies at a time?

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Nov 29th 2021 at 2:46:02 PM

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#187771: Nov 29th 2021 at 12:32:49 PM

It's not a terrible solution, but it is admittedly puzzling why they went back.

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#187772: Nov 29th 2021 at 12:34:30 PM

Probably the preserve some flavouring of the original games

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#187773: Nov 29th 2021 at 12:39:29 PM

It is puzzling that they went back, and only partway at that, but if that had been the mechanic the whole time, it wouldn't have been so bad.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#187774: Nov 29th 2021 at 12:40:44 PM

It's a really baffling regression.

Pokemon's generally had a habit of "two steps forward, one step back", but making TMs single-use again is probably the most unjustified thus far.

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#187775: Nov 29th 2021 at 12:40:59 PM

The need to be so faithful that even TMs are now single-use defies not only popular opinion, but also common sense. It's like Tommy Wiseau's decisions during the production of The Room.note 

And sadly these games have not become So Bad, It's Good like I thought they would have been with these reverse-Author's Saving Throws.

Edited by clemont107 on Nov 29th 2021 at 3:42:41 PM

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