That all you got?
Definitely. She runs the normal revolution route of "We're free, but how do we work anything?"
Despite the fact that the slaves did all the work and therefore, now that I think about it, shouldn't have had to worry about that stuff >.>
That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
They did all the work in the show, certainly, but in the books I remember it being 50/50.
She did menaged to breach Mereen's defences and get her army into combat, mind, and the Unsullied don't just stand around picking their noses when there's a battles to fight.
That all you got?
But isn't a whole thing of Slaver's Bay society being the Tokar, where you can even have slaves to do it for you as a status symbol to show how much you don't do?
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We have an excerpt from the upcoming Fire and Blood book.
Interesting stuff. I think the most intriguing part is Silverwing refusing to fly north of the Wall. A subtle jab at the show or foreshadowing for Winds of Winter?
That all you got?
It is rather odd. Why would a dragon refuse to fly beyond the Wall?
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The magic of the Wall itself, perhaps. Same reason the Others can't just go around. It may also fear whatever ambient magic lies north of the Wall, as well.
Edited by SilentColossus on Sep 27th 2018 at 3:46:18 AM
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Those are my thoughts basically. While it might have been included because of the show I have a feeling it's also meant to be foreshadowing. Either there's some magic preventing dragons from crossing the wall or they can somehow sense the White Walkers and are afraid of them.
edit: If the rest is as interesting as that excerpt this book is going to be dissected to death once it comes out.
Edited by Kostya on Sep 27th 2018 at 9:49:55 AM
Is ether that or simply the fact that the other side have all the winter magic that kills everything, that probably means to it.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
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GRRM's favorite Targaryen is the Rogue Prince.
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
That all you got?
Isn't that the first Daemon, the one who went off to war in the Stepstones?
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Yep.
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Daemon_Targaryen
I wonder if part of Tywin's hatred of Tyrion is an Oedipus Complex. Tyrion's light-hearted personality, drinking and fondness for women would remind him of Tytos. And his mother, like his wife, died in childbirth
And don't forget, that despite how much he hides it, Tywin himself hires sex workers. He (probably) built the tunnel from the Tower of the Hand to Chataya's brothel, and even hires Shae after Tyrion is imprisoned. Though Shae didn't really have much choice in the manner. Tyrion is like Tywin not only in the scheming, but they also share the same traits that Tywin perceives as vices. Tywin just buries it.
Tywin is motivated by his hatred of his family, and himself, being laughed at. To Tywin, Tyrion embodies that greatest fear: a little person who drinks a lot and hires sex workers is not someone Tywin thinks the realm would take seriously.
That guy with the face
While there's no possibility in the show, I also like the theory that in the books, Tyrion is a Targaryen, the son of Aerys and Joanna by rape, and that's why Tywin hates him so. A child by rape, who took his mother, and was the son of the being who insulted him and took his son and heir from him.
Or it could be all of those. Who knows.
Qui odoratus est qui fecit.
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Another excerpt from Fire and Blood.
Also confirmation that Orys Baratheon is Aegon's bastard half-brother.
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
That all you got?
I was wondering how he was related to House Targaryen.
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I don't think Tyrion is a Targaryen because it cheapens the story between the two. If anything, Jaime and Cersei being Targaryens and Tyrion truly being Tywin's son has some delicious irony and Your Son All Along to it. Tywin and the whorehouse, that may just be a case of slaking lust as many visitors do(especially Robert Baratheon), though I like to think he wants some comfort and warmth like Tyrion, even if it's just acted and certainly from prying eyes. Or maybe Tywin is a kinky motherfucker
One of the more fridge horror-y things to think about is when it comes to the most sexually violent characters in the series. Namely, thinking about where exactly Ramsay and Gregor learned it from. And on a slightly lighter note, why the Boltons are so Always Chaotic Evil (literally one Bolton, Domeric, isn't described in a ruthless manner); the Freys have more moral greyness than the Boltons
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PQ:
First and foremost, this casts the ENTIRE CONCEPT OF A UNIFIED WESTEROS as a reaction to the Long Night. A unitary polity spanning thousands of miles, encompassing multiple peoples, and lasting centuries exists as a deterrent to the apocalypse, a sword in the darkness.
Secondly, this is among the most bone-deep connections to date between the titular forces of ice and fire: the dragonlords came to conquer from their island of "frozen fire" as a shaping operation for the war against the white walkers and the cold that comes with them.
What this suggests is that the words of House Targaryen might as well be "winter is coming."
At a deeper thematic level, this reframes all the carnage that went into Aegon's conquest as a sacrifice made in the name of an ostensible greater good. Westeros itself was Nissa Nissa to Aegon's Azor Ahai.
Another user responded to this particular tweet saying that this could explain why Daenerys saw Westeros as a woman in one of her visions.
Look again at what Stannis says while pacing around Aegon's table-map of Westeros:
His hand swept across the Painted Table. "How many boys dwell in Westeros? How many girls? How many men, how many women? The darkness will devour them all, she says. The night that never ends."
"Aegon once stood here as I do, looking down on this table. Do you think we would name him Aegon the Conqueror today if he had not had dragons?"
What if this is more than a comparison Stannis is drawing to justify himself? What if he's asking the same exact questions Aegon did?
That all you got?
Well Aegon without his dragons often met defeat; his first thrusts into Westeros were either draws or caused him to be forced back.
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I just went through most of Fire and Blood Volume I. That was a lot. If you've read TWOIAF and Sons of the Dragon, the first two sections aren't given that much more elaboration.
Jaehaerys' section is a lot though.
What happened to Aerea/Rhaella Targaryen is out of a horror novel. I'll spoiler it since it says something about Valyria.
Aerea Targaryen disappears for a year when she takes Balerion for a joy ride.. Everyone looks for her but no one can find her in Westeros and Essos. She comes back a year later looking like a dried up corpse on the verge of death. They put her in ice cold water to do something about the heat of her body and then monsters that look like snakes with faces and hands start bursting out of her body. Some are as big as your little finger and others as big as your hand. Apparently, she didn't tale Balerion anywhere but like a pokemon trainer with one gym badge and a level 90 Charizard, Balerion didn't listen to her and took her to Valyria his old home. Also Balerion comes back with a giant 9 foot wound. What the hell lives there?
Corlys Velaryon considered Rhaenrya's kids to be his grandchildren and loves them despite him knowing they're not actually Laenor's which is pretty sweet.
And there was a Hightower-Velaryon-Baratheon rivalry to who can be the Targaryen's #2 house during Jaehaerys' reign.
Rogar Baratheon was Hand and married to Jaeaharys' mom and tried to marry Alysanne Targaryen to his youngest brother and his daughter, Jocelyn Baratheon, almost does become queen. Also Aemond and Aegon II were betrothed to Borros Baratheon's daughters at one point. Another Baratheon attempt to intermarry the Targaryens.
The Velaryons tried to thwart Rogar's ambitions and through their early reign they kept trying to intermary the Targaryens as well.
The Hightowers are the Borgias of Westeros in how they tried to keep the High Septon's position within their family but also kept trying to match themselves with the Targaryens and finally succeeded with Alicent Hightower getting married to Viserys Targaryen.
Edited by MadSkillz on Nov 21st 2018 at 8:20:04 AM
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
That all you got?
So there is creepy shit in the Doom.
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Given that AWOIAF already covers all the Targaryen rulers (with fantastic illustrations!), I'm not feeling any need to buy this for some more elaboration.
Cool to know that about Valyria, though.
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@Galadriel There's a lot of stuff in Jaehaerys' reign and Aegon III's Regency that's not covered in the WOIAF.
It covers Alyn Velaryon's travels as well.
Also he and his wife were at one point the heir to Aegon III.
"You can't change the world without getting your hands dirty."
I wonder if the thing with Aerys and Joanna is more complicated than "Aerys was just a creeper" or "he raped Joanna and the twins/Tyrion are his". The latter doesn't make much sense since I can't see Joanna not taking him down if that was the case. And there was clearly something more than just the former given even in The World of Ice And Fire, which was a history book during a pro-Tywin and pro-Robert era, pointed out there were rumors about the two. Which wouldn't even be talked about unless there's some truth in it. Not saying she cheated on Tywin, but she might have had some mutual attraction to Aerys
Edited by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 on Nov 28th 2018 at 2:03:11 AM
I think Dany's problem is that she has yet to fully accept she is going to shed innocent blood if she is to make any progress on running her kingdom over the short term.
It's a violent world she lives in, she's never getting anywhere if she doesn't match the violence around her.