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PhysicalStamina (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#6651: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:03:07 AM

I'm reminded of this one guy from Akame ga Kill whose name I forget (Budo? Ludo?). On one hand, they do go the "he likes men and that's weird" route, but on the other, he's a vastly competent fighter and, surprisingly, he and the male lead become really close.

It's one thing to make a spectacle. It's another to make a difference.
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#6652: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:04:40 AM

But he dies...Okay, plenty of characters die in Akame ga Kill, but he's still dead.

edited 6th Jan '18 5:05:05 AM by Ikedatakeshi

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#6653: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:05:30 AM

Some pages ago someone said Ruki isnt the rival to Takato. Yet SHE IS! Why do you think its her Blue Digivice that's used in the anniversary tribute toys? Ruki is major rival material.

BTW Ruki is Rika.

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PhysicalStamina (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#6654: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:15:47 AM

[up][up]You kinda defeated the purpose of your own post by mentioning that several other characters die in the series.

It's one thing to make a spectacle. It's another to make a difference.
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#6655: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:22:50 AM

So I just binged through Otouto no Otto (My Brother's Husband), 21 chapters only! What a shame! This story tugs at my heartstrings! The characters are lovable! I wanna see more! It's like Steven Universe without fantasy elements, sort of. I get the same kind of heart-opening, raw-yet-warm feeling. I miss that!

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Nikkolas from Texas Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#6656: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:38:44 AM

@Lyendith

I have no answer to your question which was kinda my point. I have no idea how we go about categorizing people if souls have inherently male or female properties. What does male or female even mean in a spiritual sense? That's a big ol' bag of worms.

But at least within the confines of this particular fiction, the soul in the main male character belonged to a being that was explicitly created to be female as she and her brother were created to split the power of the original created being, Adam Kadmon.

But yeah, I have no idea how female representation or LGBT representation might be effected, if it's effected at all, by reincarnation in the work. It's a very interesting topic though.

edited 6th Jan '18 5:40:28 AM by Nikkolas

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#6657: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:43:31 AM

[up][up] True, but he's still wasn't significant to the story. More of a Sacrificial Lamb than an actual character.

PhysicalStamina (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#6658: Jan 6th 2018 at 5:55:18 AM

[up]Even so, you could say that about pretty any much character that isn't Akame or the male lead.

It's one thing to make a spectacle. It's another to make a difference.
IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014
#6659: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:02:20 AM

[up]Yeah, I'm not sure that Bury Your Gays complaints really apply in a series that's notorious for killing of 90% of its characters.

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#6660: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:07:08 AM

That I can agree with. But on the other hand it just means it's part of a bigger problem with the series.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#6661: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:25:27 AM

Is this Akame Ga Kill show worth looking into? I watched the first episode and wasn't hooked... What's the real story about? What's the purpose, theme, mood?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
SKJAM Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#6662: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:29:31 AM

Yes, there is a trend to downplay female rivals in manga & anime, although with that specific case in Digimon, it might be more of a merch issue than a problem in the source material.

And of course I should specify that this is more of an issue in shounen, Seinen and kodomo (children's) than in shoujo or josei.

It's also evolved over time, from when there just weren't any female rivals, to "girl wants to be a rival, is a joke", to "female rival quickly undergoes High-Heel–Face Turn, becomes part of hero's support cast", to "female rival does well at beginning, but is soon left behind due to power escalation" to "female rival stays in series but male hero never really takes her as seriously as male rivals." And the rare instance where a girl or woman stays a relevant rival all the way through, such as Iron Wok Jan.

PhysicalStamina (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
#6663: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:30:17 AM

Eh, you can skip it entirely, to be honest. It's one of those shows that tries to be edgy but just comes off as juvenile. You aren't missing anything by not watching, really.

edited 6th Jan '18 6:30:27 AM by PhysicalStamina

It's one thing to make a spectacle. It's another to make a difference.
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#6664: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:36:26 AM

A bunch of quirky assassins that have some sort of dark backstories carrying out missions given out by the rebellion and victims of one-dimensional evil fodder. The villains also have a quirky team tasked to arrest them, who also have dark backstories and are obviously mirroring the protagonist. Lots of death on either side but it's pretty obvious who was going to die and all deaths are either meant to be cathartic or shallow attempts at being Tear Jerkers. Gratuitous amount of rape and murder to attempt at being edgy, but still make the protagonist a bland Shonen protagonist.

edited 6th Jan '18 6:36:37 AM by Ikedatakeshi

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#6665: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:37:25 AM

Oh, that's worse than boring, that's disappointing.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#6666: Jan 6th 2018 at 6:40:52 AM

The first episode didn't really raise expectations, so I can't say I understand what you mean.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#6667: Jan 6th 2018 at 7:19:20 AM

Well, no, but when I hear "90% of the cast gets killed", I think Berserk or Attack on Titan or Bokurano or Fate. You know, real drama. Mostly.

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#6668: Jan 6th 2018 at 7:24:33 AM

"Attack on Titan or Bokurano" "Real Drama"

A series that I can't take seriously anymore because literally everyone is a titan shifter and a series thats so pointlessly nihilistic about the Mecha genre I can't even take it seriously either.

Yeah, no.

Watch Symphogear
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#6669: Jan 6th 2018 at 7:26:44 AM

Can't say much about Bokurano since I didn't watched it, but I assume you've only watched the anime for Attack on Titan?

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#6670: Jan 6th 2018 at 7:32:51 AM

Read the manga too.

I think the most recent chapters ruined it for me, honestly.

Watch Symphogear
Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#6671: Jan 6th 2018 at 7:37:14 AM

Fair enough.

Back on topic, are there any bisexual men in anime?

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#6672: Jan 6th 2018 at 7:41:32 AM

I've read some distance past it into the Manga, then eventually lost interest. I got a bit of a Franchise Zombie feeling, to be honest. Once the Main Characters were properly established and it was clear the had Plot Armor, the hook got lost.

But the Battle of Trost and the effort to retake Wall Maria are some of the most intense and memorable Anime moments I remember. When Eren reached out to his dying mother, it was heartbreaking. When Eren pulled Armin out of that titan and got swallowed instead, I thought he was done for, in an incredibly noble sacrifice. When he emerged as a Titan and started wrecking shit, it was so cathartic. When Armin made that speech so that his team wouldn't get a bunch of cannonballs to the face, I cried a bit. It was beautiful.

Bokurano, I wouldn't call it nihilistic, exactly. It's more of an exploration of how one deals with absolute certain death, and the choices one makes in that moment. You know, The Last Dance meets What You Are in the Dark. Will you Face Death with Dignity? Will you sacrifice another Universe for the sake of one where you won't get to live? So, existentialist, really.

For comparison, Narutaru amounted to "don't bully, traumatize, or harass people, you never know when they'll have power over you and whether they'll be noble enough not to abuse it".

[up]There are, but most of them are Depraved. See Griffith, Patron God of Betrayal, Using People, Shallow Goals, Misplaced Pride, and Spiteful Resentment.

edited 6th Jan '18 7:43:08 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#6673: Jan 6th 2018 at 7:53:19 AM

[up]x5 Hey, just a reminder: it's against forum rules to post just to complain about something. To quote from this thread:

"No posting in a thread just to say you think it's stupid or to complain about how much you hate the subject or think it's stupid."

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#6675: Jan 6th 2018 at 8:13:42 AM

Back on topic, are there any bisexual men in anime?

...I don't think that's the topic of this thread... is it?

Why does this thread still exist?

Japan's cultural norms allow for rampant forms of sexism and they're not exactly shy about it. Hasn't that been established?

edited 6th Jan '18 8:14:42 AM by Soble

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