During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Do tell.
Well, I'd rather not give details, but the Webcomic in question was Bastard.
edited 2nd May '17 8:30:33 PM by Camberf
I'm curious, who is doing Savitar from The Flash?
Kind of thinking he might qualify if things go the way I think they will.
"Sam Manson is a terrible character."
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Mirai Yuji reserved the discussion.
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Hallett I think. Taking your word that he only sees her as a successor.
I fixed that "Supersonic" thing.
edited 3rd May '17 12:20:57 AM by ACW
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
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To Kraeger.
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@Camberf: That's a shame. Least you got to read a great webcomic in the process. I'd rather have that happen over wasting time reading a pile of crap that does have a CM in it.
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Well, go ahead with Aristide.
Well, if there's an Even Evil Has Standards, she should clearly be cut.
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If you know the work, feel free to expand her entry. It's definitely on the short side.
@Tell All 111 You forgot The Asset for Robert Dewey from Jason Bourne. Also, Alec Trevelyan from Golden Eye is not a CM, but his underling Xenia Onatopp is though.
It's probably better to wait for some more input. I'll vote to cut Aristide given the new information.
edited 3rd May '17 8:22:46 AM by TommyFresh
Wait for a few more comments. If the argument was brought up before and failed to disqualify him, I think we'd need to revisit that conversation as well.
Messenger from another dimension.
Can we also request to cut Delmar?
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Cut Delmar and my mistake on Aristide, but my point stands.
As for Nihilus not being as heinous as Nero? No, that's not an argument to cut. Nero's a powerful emperor. Nihilus is a centurion. The two are working on two entirely separate tiers and this was not skipped over when Nihilus was being discussed. He stays.
Man, I just finished an incredible Webcomic, for which I had taken pages of notes because I was absolutely positive that I had found one of the worst normal human CMs I'd ever seen. After all that, the last few chapters disqualified this villain from this trope wholly and completely. I'm not disappointed, but that's a lot of work down the drain.