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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#4276: Sep 9th 2019 at 9:23:24 AM

Sonia began life as "the first Belmont." That title got usurped by Leon who then became "the first Belmont," making Sonia obsolete, at least as far as Konami is concerned.

Edited by WillKeaton on Sep 9th 2019 at 10:33:24 AM

WolfThunder Before the storm closes in, the wolf howls at th Since: Jun, 2013
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#4278: Sep 9th 2019 at 10:21:39 AM

There are a lot of firsts that are possible:

Leon is the first wielded of the vampire killer;

Trevor is the first to defeat Dracula;

Christopher is the first to fight and defeat him twice in his lifetime, and did it solo, unlike Trevor.

Sonia could have easily been the first to fight him period. Just tweak her placement in the timeline a little.

Or just make her another member of the family outside of being female. She never needed to be cut.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#4279: Sep 9th 2019 at 10:31:51 AM

Sonia's about a century after Leon. IIRC the ending of her game also implies that she and Alucard are Trevor's parents, which is commonly speculated to be one of the reasons she was given the boot.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#4280: Sep 9th 2019 at 10:49:58 AM

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Yeah, then just cut that out.

There was plenty of room to fix things. She didn’t need to be retconned out completely.

I get the game was done by a different team who just did their own thing, but it wasn’t completely unsalvageable.

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#4281: Sep 9th 2019 at 11:27:01 AM

I'm glad Bloodstained gave us Miriam.

ShirowShirow Since: Nov, 2009
#4282: Sep 9th 2019 at 1:31:52 PM

Castlevania Legends is a superior game to Lament of Innocence I will say. It has a few rough edges, but it's actually fun to play. Iga calling it an "Embarrassment to the franchise" is ridiculous. Sonia got done dirty.

Notably Trevor was the first to kill Dracula, a Belmont before him could take the "First defeat" title via Sealed Evil in a Can.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#4283: Sep 9th 2019 at 1:50:53 PM

Iga also initially axed Circle of the Moon and the N64 duology, apparently because they don't feature the Belmont or Morris families, but then added them back in.

So really, who knows what his motives were.

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#4284: Sep 9th 2019 at 2:12:17 PM

Here's some direct quotes from him from an EGM interview nearly two decades ago:

"EGM: Would you make a Castlevania with a female main character?

IGA: Hm, there are difficult problems with that. As a gamer, I think that you become one with the character, and since Castlevania has a lot of male players, it's natural to have male characters. In Rondo of Blood, Maria was a silly, cute aside, but you still had Richter to make it serious. Plus, Mr. Hagihara (the director) had a playful sense of humor. He worked on Symphony as well, and he made the telescope part where, if you pan over to the left you can see a little mouse, and also where Alucard can sit down on the chair and prop his feet up.

EGM: After Tomb Raider, don't you think a female character is more acceptable?

IGA: It's possible I guess. Although, I purposefully left the Sonia Belmont character (from Castlevania: Legends for GBC) out of the official Castlevania chronology. (laughs) Usually, the vampire storyline motifs, females tend to be sacrificed. It's easier to come up with weak, feminine characters. I'll think about it more in the future, though. It's tough to fit a female hero into the early history of Castlevania, but as you move into the modern day, females can then more easily become a hero."

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#4285: Sep 9th 2019 at 2:45:24 PM

I’ve seen that posted before.

There have been a lot of things about why he cut her.

The belief that a female hero that far back was unrealistic is just one of them.

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Rynnec Since: Dec, 2010
#4286: Sep 9th 2019 at 2:59:45 PM

Circle and 64 weren't added back into the main timeline, they're just alternate timelines. Presumably Legends is part of this alternate timeline too.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#4287: Sep 9th 2019 at 4:15:26 PM

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I don’t recall that being mentioned anywhere.

Legends isn’t part of an Alternate Timeline.

It’s just not a thing anywhere.

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Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
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#4288: Sep 9th 2019 at 4:49:01 PM

yeah portrait of ruin's manuel reinserted Co To M and the n64 games in the main timeline.

"when you stare too long into the abyss, Xehanort takes advantage of the distraction to break into your house and steal all your shit."
Rynnec Since: Dec, 2010
#4289: Sep 9th 2019 at 6:27:33 PM

And taken back out as of 2009 on Konami's Castlevania website.

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#4290: Sep 9th 2019 at 6:47:35 PM

Cornell then showed up in Judgement and was one of two cool things about it.

The other being Golem.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#4291: Sep 9th 2019 at 6:58:06 PM

Are Christopher and Soleiyu still canon?

Edited by WillKeaton on Sep 9th 2019 at 8:07:14 AM

FrozenWolf2 Since: Mar, 2013
#4292: Sep 9th 2019 at 7:50:38 PM

Last I check they were ... even though Chris' existence kinda royally screws over Simon

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#4293: Sep 9th 2019 at 7:57:01 PM

IGA thought doing this shit would simplify the timeline?

Rynnec Since: Dec, 2010
#4294: Sep 9th 2019 at 8:02:04 PM

Judgements pre-release is where Iga confirmed they take place in an alt timeline. Aeon even states as such in-game iirc.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#4295: Sep 10th 2019 at 12:10:30 AM

at least Maria's breasts jokes are So Bad, It's Good for how uncharacteristic they are. Also we got more Grant, which was nice. Empty Tome also got a fantastic rendition.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#4296: Sep 10th 2019 at 11:39:32 AM

Forgot how hard Death and Stella/Loretta were.

Also forgot how quickly you can get through this one. Already half done!

ShirowShirow Since: Nov, 2009
#4297: Sep 10th 2019 at 1:38:19 PM

I keep forgetting Judgement was one of the last games we got from the original timeline.

WolfThunder Before the storm closes in, the wolf howls at th Since: Jun, 2013
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ReikoKazama Miyamoto Musashi from Tasmania, Australia Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Married to the music
Miyamoto Musashi
#4299: Sep 13th 2019 at 11:59:32 PM

...aaaand it's a mobile game. Dammit Konami.

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ShirowShirow Since: Nov, 2009
#4300: Sep 14th 2019 at 12:29:08 AM

We knew it was from the start.

It looks like it could still be fun though. I'm holding out hope that it's worth investing at least a little time in. Having Shanoa in the starting roster is a good start.

And it's not like they're still reusing assets from Rondo of Blood. [lol]


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