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asterism Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
Sep 21st 2022 at 12:03:44 PM

Most Sage healing comes from Kardion, so use Soteria if you're feeling pushed. Taurochole is a good mitigation ability.

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Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
Sep 21st 2022 at 1:15:26 PM

I've been running SGE with friends levelling classes under 50, and it's by far the worst healer when you reach dungeons where enemies start to hurt like Stone Vigil.

Mostly because it has neither regens nor fairy for passive healing, and you have no off-GCD at that point. And Kardion absolutely is not enough on large packs.

TropayXion The i. one. from HEART Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
The i. one.
Sep 21st 2022 at 3:09:30 PM

[up][up][up]I was, there's plenty of times where I pretty much had to use every single oGCD heal in sequence just so noticeable healing could happen. That definitely feels incorrect on my end, but at least it got me through the dungeons.

[up][up] Funnily enough, I don't think I ever ended up using that skill specifically, because I only ever remembered it during dungeons where it wasn't available.

That said, I'm just thankful I didn't get Aurum Vale while using it. I can handle dying to huge pulls from Stormblood and beyond, AV's first room is just weaponised stress no matter what.

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Karxrida Too Chaotic from The Extra Deck Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Too Chaotic
Sep 21st 2022 at 3:15:04 PM

You're absolutely supposed to abuse your OGCD heals during dungeons. SGE kind of suffers though since they get the heals back one at a time via a timer instead of all at once like SCH does.

That said, I'm just thankful I didn't get Aurum Vale while using it. I can handle dying to huge pulls from Stormblood and beyond, AV's first room is just weaponised stress no matter what.

One time I got an idiot tank who wall to walled that entire room and dragged everything into the first boss arena. And they weren't a Sprout so they should have known better. I think we kicked them.

Edited by Karxrida on Sep 21st 2022 at 3:16:44 AM

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Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
Sep 21st 2022 at 3:31:25 PM

Pretty sure a well-drilled WHM + PLD combo has a shot at succeeding there, but it's probably real tough.

Karxrida Too Chaotic from The Extra Deck Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Too Chaotic
Sep 21st 2022 at 3:40:27 PM

I think a DRK might actually have a slightly better shot with their stronger(?) AoE damage and the Living Dead buff.

But yeah, it'd be super rough and ultimately boil down to how fast your DPS can murder everything.

Edited by Karxrida on Sep 21st 2022 at 3:44:58 AM

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Sep 22nd 2022 at 6:48:46 AM

They might have been trying a strat where they rush to the boss room without anyone else in the party aggroing anything, so when they die all the mobs go back to their spawn points, and the healer can rez them and the party engages the boss. It's basically a cheesey way to skip the first room. Of course, that relies on some communication.

Edited by Anura on Sep 22nd 2022 at 1:48:58 PM

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RedHunter543 For I'm the hero true Relationship Status: Barbecuing
For I'm the hero true
Sep 22nd 2022 at 7:06:02 AM

Is there a meaningful difference between Adventurers and Mercenaries?

What meaning there is to be found in the petty vicissitudes of your existence must be gleaned by you and you alone.
Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
Sep 22nd 2022 at 7:26:04 AM

I assume mercenary implies a certain amount of "I do this for the money" compared to adventurer being more "I do it for the art".

RedHunter543 For I'm the hero true Relationship Status: Barbecuing
For I'm the hero true
Sep 22nd 2022 at 7:27:39 AM

Adventurers do get paid for their services though.

And you can outright tell the merchant at the start you are motivated by money.

What meaning there is to be found in the petty vicissitudes of your existence must be gleaned by you and you alone.
Sep 22nd 2022 at 7:34:11 AM

Within FFXIV the difference may be organization. Adventurers go through the various Adventurer Guilds in the capitals. Mercenaries are more doing their own thing.

Steven The Nu Mou Enthusiast from The Room Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
The Nu Mou Enthusiast
Sep 22nd 2022 at 7:37:06 AM

Mercenaries are more for the people who'll do the dirty jobs. Adventurers will do anything in this case.

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Sep 22nd 2022 at 7:39:28 AM

Final Fantasy: Lost Stranger goes into the differences. Adventurers take jobs that are regulated by the Adventurer's Guild and range from anything from picking grapes to exploring ruins to killing monsters and bandits. Unsanctioned killing for anything but self-defense is prohibited.

Sellswords and mercenaries are unregulated fighters who are often killers. They're paid to guard people and kill whoever they're paid to kill. Given that they have no oversight, they often do dirty jobs (i.e. Drusilla is implied to have worked as a hitman for Ul'dahn merchants to make ends meet). This is why it's an insult that Jullus calls WoL a "sellsword", assuming they're nothing but Dumb Muscle and a Hired Gun for the twins.

At the same time, adventurers are still seen as "vultures" by some, since their freelance-style of work actively requires there to be problems to solve for them to get paid. Meaning that they only get paid when someone is in need.

Edited by reppuzan on Sep 22nd 2022 at 7:43:01 AM

RedHunter543 For I'm the hero true Relationship Status: Barbecuing
For I'm the hero true
Sep 22nd 2022 at 7:44:21 AM

Aahh, those make sense, TY.

But isn't Lost Stranger it's own thing and not in XIV?

What meaning there is to be found in the petty vicissitudes of your existence must be gleaned by you and you alone.
Sep 22nd 2022 at 8:08:10 AM

It is its own thing, but given how the series runs largely on Final Fantasy mechanics down to boss behavior, it can be extrapolated to FFXI and FFXIV pretty easily.

Nhaza'a Jaab, the antagonist of the Allied Tribe Quests, is an adventurer-turned-sellsword who commits murder, kidnappings, and blackmail because he's a Card-Carrying Villain who loves doing things For the Evulz and enjoys kicking as many puppies as possible because he gets off on being hated.

Edited by reppuzan on Sep 22nd 2022 at 8:12:17 AM

Steven The Nu Mou Enthusiast from The Room Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
The Nu Mou Enthusiast
Sep 22nd 2022 at 8:21:14 AM

And he vanished for good and nothing of value was lost.

These idiots fuck, drive, and vote.
Resileafs I actually wanted to be Resileaf
I actually wanted to be Resileaf
Sep 22nd 2022 at 8:21:26 AM

Also worth noting that the Japanese tend to not quite have the same connotations of terms that we do, just because they think the word sounds cool (or not cool).

Like bounty hunter, which in the western world indicates a usually very shady individual who hunts down people for prize money but Samus' creator just thinks the term 'bounty hunter' sounds cool, so Samus is one even though she does nothing of the sort.

Edited by Resileafs on Sep 22nd 2022 at 11:21:44 AM

RedHunter543 For I'm the hero true Relationship Status: Barbecuing
For I'm the hero true
Sep 22nd 2022 at 8:24:59 AM

Even Star Fox made sure to bill their employers.

Samus seems like she works pro bono.

What meaning there is to be found in the petty vicissitudes of your existence must be gleaned by you and you alone.
Sep 22nd 2022 at 9:07:52 AM

Adventurers in Japanese fiction also tend to be held with a certain amount of awe and admiration (when they're being portrayed positively anyway). For instance, in Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon?, high-level adventurers are more or less admired as celebrities and modern-day fairy tale heroes. More often than not, they're given the honorific "-sama" in the Japanese dub. I'm not sure if the same holds true in FFXIV.

Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
Sep 22nd 2022 at 10:55:57 AM

Well, that depends on the fantasy/Isekai setting...In Shield Hero, the aforementioned heroes are technically adventurers, taking on quests and the like, but...

Sep 22nd 2022 at 11:38:40 AM

Yeah, the way adventurers are treated in an RPG Mechanics 'Verse is pretty much up to what the author thinks about main/player characters in more "typical" fantasy.

In fact, adventuring, as a profession, seems pretty exclusive to those settings and video games. Outside of those, the only adventurers running around are typically the characters the narrative is following.

Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
Sep 22nd 2022 at 1:01:25 PM

Most of the time the Warrior of Light behaves more like a member of Eorzea's Spec Ops than like an adventurer, since whatever quests s/he is sent on usually turns out being some world-threatening event. Especially in the MSQ, less so in side content. From what I remember the Alliance Raid story arcs are the closest thing to "Adventurer Quests" we get in the way they are weaved into the main story - go someplace, uncover big mystery. Raids are...less so - Alexander and Omega are a bit too central to the plot to be the kind of stuff you sent adventurers to deal with, and in Eden you're basically Ryne's bodyguard.

Sep 22nd 2022 at 1:03:22 PM

Yeah. The Mhach Alliance Raids basically start with "hey, you want to go investigate a lost airship haunted with voidsent?" and answering "Do I ever!"

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 22nd 2022 at 1:03:35 AM

Bexlerfu Khatun of the Azim Steppe from Mol Iloh
Khatun of the Azim Steppe
Sep 22nd 2022 at 1:09:04 PM

The level 90 ones are exactly like this, and if some people's speculations are correct, we might actually be led by the God of Adventurers himself.

Sep 22nd 2022 at 7:53:26 PM

It makes sense though. WoL is perhaps the single most-connected adventurer on the star, between being a close friend and confidant to nearly every executive leader in Eorzea and the Far East. They have friends every place they've been without hyperbole. The level of responsibility they have as a member of the Scions of the Seventh Dawn and Hydaelyn's chosen means that they don't always have time to go off on a self-indulgent adventure.

Of course, it's also blatantly clear that they're a Thrill Seeker who'd probably dive off the nearest cliff in search of something new (and they have, given the number of mine shafts, cliffs, and hollow trunks they've jumped off). Their thrist for adventure is one of their most consistent traits, and just because they're doing something for someone else doesn't mean they won't have fun with it.

See the Carpenter quests, where they make an ash box (a type of cabinet for holding smoking supplies) out of ash lumber for no reason other than to make a pun while completing an order. Beatin even mentions that only another skilled carpenter or botanist would be in on the Stealth Pun. Lucianne also describes WoL as staring at her with sparkling eyes at the thought of learning how to sing and write poetry even before learning that they can kick ass with it.

Edited by reppuzan on Sep 22nd 2022 at 7:53:45 AM


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