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Feb 8th 2019 at 8:41:25 AM

No time, no inspiration and no direction.

With FF games they clearly have a plot in mind and build off that through the game development. Instead they had the character designs and 'open world road trip' idea and built a game around it. All the important details and aspects were a late in development after thought.

Its insanely clear that everything after chapter 9 was entirely an afterthought.

Patch after patch after patch tried to fix it but it flat out needed the XIV treatment and have it all thrown out then rebuilt from scratch.

EDIT: The Multiplayer patch was a very good step in the right direction but my god that needed to be single player and built as a serious game with some exploration. It had actual magic, weapon customization, difficulty, character progression and an actual plot that could have been great with some more focus.

Seriously the Weapon customization was actually really cool, it was XIII's style XP system but depending on what you put in you could change different traits and skills the weapon had and overwrite traits kinda like XIII-2's chocobos. The base game had absolutely none of it and they didn't patch it in at all as well.

Edited by Memers on Feb 8th 2019 at 8:49:44 AM

TheAirman from Congratulations! Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Feb 8th 2019 at 8:48:42 AM

Never attribute to malice what is adequately explained by incompetence.

PSN ID: FateSeraph Congratulations!
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything
Not really a lord of anything
Feb 8th 2019 at 9:21:17 AM

Wait do people actually think that it was done through malice?

This song needs more love.
Ultimatum ◕ ◡ ◕ Disasturbator from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
◕ ◡ ◕ Disasturbator
Feb 8th 2019 at 9:24:40 AM

So far only guy thinks so,which is just silly if you even even the barest understanding of game devolved,to put any game out requires blood,sweat and tears

🙌 |Nerf meta knight
Feb 8th 2019 at 10:06:08 AM

Me? I think the devs tried the best they could with a project that was already a gigantic trainwreck.

Ultimatum ◕ ◡ ◕ Disasturbator from England Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
◕ ◡ ◕ Disasturbator
Feb 8th 2019 at 10:07:53 AM

> For everyone who hated FFXV, do you believe that the game was bad out of sheer malice from the devs?

Your post would imply you were looking for someone to agree with you

🙌 |Nerf meta knight
Feb 8th 2019 at 10:51:49 AM

[up]No, it's a question I asked out of sheer curiosity.

MarkIV Alchemist from Lancashire best shire Relationship Status: Not war
Alchemist
Feb 9th 2019 at 2:45:56 AM

Fucking Yevonite.

Life is more fun with infinite MP.
FrozenWolf2 Avatar of War from Have you seen me?
Avatar of War
Feb 9th 2019 at 2:57:16 AM

But the Machina brought SIN!!!

"But old memories seldom fade and bad habits die hard."
lycropath Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Feb 9th 2019 at 2:24:30 PM

Yoshida wants less machines therefore he is an Al Bhed hater!

darkabomination the Quantum Mechanic from cyberspace Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
the Quantum Mechanic
Feb 9th 2019 at 5:33:47 PM

Al Bhed, more like Al Dead, amiright?

"Less With The Sweet and Awesome, More With the Stabby-Hurty."
Hobgoblin Cool Blue Magic from Jylland Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
Cool Blue Magic
Feb 10th 2019 at 3:05:13 PM

Slightly off topic, I find it kinda funny that a lot of people single Wakka out as racist when Spira basically divides every race into their own little corner of the world to live in, Luca being the exception.

How often do you see a Ronso around Spira? Exactly.

Every argument with Shantotto will eventually become a rap battle.
Feb 10th 2019 at 3:10:08 PM

I don't think the world's that racist. There's someone from every race but the Al Bhed in positions of power among the Yevonites, so I think people just live where they live because that's where they prefer to.

Hobgoblin Cool Blue Magic from Jylland Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
Cool Blue Magic
Feb 10th 2019 at 3:16:51 PM

I think Jyscal getting a high ranking position basically only happened through a lot of political movement for his race which was only possible by exiling his family, which is troubling in and of itself. It's been a while since I've reviewed Seymour backstory, though.

As for Kelk, there is this conversation during the Bevelle scenario.

Mika: How fares the Ronso maester?

Seymour: It seems my father’s murder troubles him.

Mika: (Chuckles) Ever the Ronso. Hard-headed, hardly useful.

There also weren't any Ronso or Guado on New Yevon, though admittedly both races are going through stuff at that point in X-2.

Edited by Hobgoblin on Feb 10th 2019 at 3:18:48 AM

Every argument with Shantotto will eventually become a rap battle.
lycropath Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
Feb 10th 2019 at 3:18:08 PM

Ronso only recently have had a seat in Yevon's inner circle right?

Hobgoblin Cool Blue Magic from Jylland Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
Cool Blue Magic
Feb 10th 2019 at 3:19:05 PM

That would seem to be the case.

Every argument with Shantotto will eventually become a rap battle.
Feb 10th 2019 at 3:24:26 PM

Yevon's upper echelons were almost entirely corrupt, so one dude's bigotry isn't necessarily common.

There is that bit early on where Lulu or Wakka talk about his blue magic with some contempt but aside from that I don't think anyone else makes a big deal about them.

... and than there's this:

"According to Final Fantasy X Ultimania Omega, both Jyscal, the leader of the Guado, and Kelk, leader of the Ronso, became Maesters of Yevon as part of Grand Maester Yo Mika's "sub-races appeasement policy."

Well shit

Edited by Hashil on Feb 10th 2019 at 4:27:56 AM

Hobgoblin Cool Blue Magic from Jylland Relationship Status: It's not my fault I'm not popular!
Cool Blue Magic
Feb 10th 2019 at 3:38:34 PM

See?!

But to address what you said, I don't think everyone was necessarily racist, but the divisions of society did feel a bit unsettling.

Every argument with Shantotto will eventually become a rap battle.
ZeroDozer Incinerate! ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!! from Santo André, SP, Brazil Relationship Status: Owner of a lonely heart
Incinerate! ONE HUNDRED PERCENT!!
Feb 10th 2019 at 4:47:37 PM

[up][up] And when that falls apart, the Ronso are ready to go to war with the Guado, with Kimahri being the only thing stopping them. Cool.

Growing up, it's like a civil war, don't turn away, it's something you can't ignore...
Nikkolas Politically Confused from Texas Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Politically Confused
Feb 10th 2019 at 6:14:17 PM

Well they wanted war because Seymour murdered a ton of them.It was not motivated by some ancient hatred between their peoples.

Seymour's backstory is all about racism though. Everyone hated him for being a human/Guado hybrid.It took Jyscal converting the Guado to Yevon for them to accept Seymour and for humans to accept Guado.

Also the "Ronso/Guado/Al Bhed take care of Ronso/Guado/Al Bhed affairs and it's a rule we can't interfere" is totally racist. Everybody pretty much accepted this idea. Not all racism is flagrant and aggressive like Wakka's.

ShirowShirow More Dread from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
More Dread
Feb 10th 2019 at 6:27:43 PM

Hourly reminder that Spira fuckin' sucks.

FFX disguises the dystopia at first, both player and Tidus are likely so caught up in the fantastic world that they fail to notice the severity of everyone's suffering.

Wait is FFX an Isekai.

Bleye knows Sabers.
Draghinazzo My love, has dressed me like a clown Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
My love, has dressed me like a clown
Feb 10th 2019 at 6:29:17 PM

Wait is FFX an Isekai.

It's not self-indulgent enough.

FF 8 actually is a "battle school" anime though.

It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine. ...not really though.
Feb 10th 2019 at 6:35:36 PM

Alice in Wonderland is isekai

and like X was around before Kirito ruined it for everyone


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