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sohibil pragmatic scientist from the Lab Since: Dec, 2020 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#1: Jul 3rd 2021 at 5:54:40 AM

I've been thinking. Certainly a reader is curious for an Ur-Example, Trope Maker or Trope Codifier. If a certain trope's maker/ur-example is known why not list it at the very top of the list to provide reader the straightest possible / easiest-to-understand example of that trope?

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#2: Jul 3rd 2021 at 5:55:46 AM

In fact we explicitly prohibit listing examples in this way. The appropriate place to mention such things is in the article description.

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#3: Jul 3rd 2021 at 5:55:49 AM

No, because there will be a lot of arguments about what the Trope Maker or Ur-Example is and it won't be intuitive for editors.

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sohibil pragmatic scientist from the Lab Since: Dec, 2020 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#4: Jul 3rd 2021 at 7:51:34 AM

Of course they cannot be decided by a single person. But we have the Trope Talk. Why not discuss Trope Makers and Ur-Examples there just like images are picked in their appropriate forum?

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#5: Jul 3rd 2021 at 8:34:51 AM

Because images are based on objective visual qualilities. How can you do the same for examples?

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#6: Jul 3rd 2021 at 9:17:54 AM

It's not often that there's a definite example of any of those for any trope.

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#7: Jul 3rd 2021 at 9:43:00 AM

Plus, putting it to a popular vote means you're going to get a lot of Trope Makers/whatever that reflect popular perception but not necessarily the truth.

sohibil pragmatic scientist from the Lab Since: Dec, 2020 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
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#8: Jul 5th 2021 at 5:55:17 AM

Considering what you've just said we can ditch the Ur-Example, Trope Maker and Trope Codifier completely. What's the point of having them if nobody knows for sure?

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#9: Jul 5th 2021 at 8:05:40 AM

That's exactly what we do for most tropes, and exactly why. Very few examples are singled out to be in any of those three categories.

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#10: Jul 5th 2021 at 4:19:13 PM

A lot of those tropes are more for conceptualism rather than there being one and only one and can only be one. Likewise a number of tropes are for forum discussions and not really meant for common media page use.

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