My Hero Academia - Manga Spoiler thread (Untagged spoilers)

I agree with you in theory, but in practice his death is just going to probably further damage the reputation of heroes. Considering how much he's set up to make Endeavour and hero society as a whole look bad, Dabi being murdered might just help further his point.

It could be said that Heroes just eliminate anyone who's inconvenient for them.

I'm just kinda spitballing though. If there's any meat to what I've said, someone else probably has the chops to express it better.

Of course, there's also the point to be made that practically anything can destroy hero society at this point (if it's not already completely destroyed) since everything that's happened here has seriously undermined people's faith already.

The whole point of all of this is to destroy Endeavor. Him dying, Shoto dying, Natsuo dying, Rei dying, Fuyumi dyin. If its all to make Endeavor suffer then he'll do it.

Killing himself is not only giving him what he wants, it also means destroying Endeavor for good even if he survives.

Because Endeavor has shut down just from the revelation he's alive. If Dabi actually dies? Then hes pretty much gone.

Edited by OmegaRadiance on Nov 28th 2020 at 11:30:49 AM

To summarize: whether he wants to die, in my opinion, shouldn't be a factor in considering whether he should die.

Edited by fredhot16 on Nov 28th 2020 at 11:33:08 AM

Why give him what he wants, especially his delusions of suicide?

Keep him alive if only to make sure he suffers the pain of living.

Because why should anybody care what he wants? If he wanted to live, would that matter in considering if he should die? The things he wants are bad things, they're not bad just because he wants them.

"Keep him alive because he wants to die, do not give him anything he wants, even death" is straight-up sadistic.

Shouldn't stopping the villain from hurting people matter more then caring about what he wants?

Edited by fredhot16 on Nov 28th 2020 at 11:40:49 AM

Suicide is never the answer as they say.

Plus when apprehending a criminal, your supposed to make sure they don't kill themselves.

Dabi's got a lot to answer too.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 28th 2020 at 11:38:53 AM

Ahhh I get it now.

Here's the thing, Dabi's fans don't see him as just a villain, they seem him as a victim. A victim of Endeavor's abuse and pretty much treat him with kid gloves.

So pointing out how he wants to die is trying to voice their sympathy for the character and rationalize his villainous actions.

But yes, they care more about him as a character than the fact that he's a villain who is hurting people.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 28th 2020 at 2:44:10 PM

The funny part is that endeavor himself likely sees things the way the fans do, especially with the breakdown he's having.

Being an abuser means you aren't allowed to feel sorry for yourself. You gotta die by the hands the ones you abused so they can feel good about themselves.

Do you think people will become more or less enraged if Endeavor starts going 'I'm sorry my son, this really is my fault' or something along those lines. Because I feel that's a pretty strong possibility.

Edited by WashTheLaundryHero on Nov 28th 2020 at 11:49:58 AM

That's the twisted part, I can easily see that too lmao. First they want him to apologize, then if he were, they'll say it's not good enough. These people are traaaaash.

Oh I'm gonna love when the Todoroki family eventually rebuilds itself, leaving Dabi truly alone as all his family has moved on.

Will make the final battle all the more sweeter.

And I don't see Dabi dying, Twice already did that. I see Dabi escaping with the rest of the group and becoming even worse as his violent insanity devolves him further.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 28th 2020 at 11:54:32 AM

And then Dabi will still find some way of twisting it to make him the victim.

I don't think the solution to this problem is to cause more suffering.

Of course, I don't think they'll be a solution to this problem that WON'T cause more suffering, so what do I know?

To me, it comes down to something pretty simple: Don't let the bad guy get what he wants. If this is all Suicide by Cop, and Dabi wants to die, then his death instantly becomes something to be avoided. Best demonstration I can come up with offhand is from Hellsing Ultimate Abridged, and the opponent Alucard fights in the final episodes (I won't specify who since it's a spoiler to Hellsing in general and it's not particularly important). Throughout the fight, Alucard is actively mocking his opponent, such as attributing the whole reason for their fight to Unresolved Sexual Tension. Eventually, the other person shouts "Why can't you take this seriously?!"

Alucard: Because that's what you want! And I'm not going to give it to you! ^note That or my pussy. But really, you're dodging a bullet there. Rows of teeth. Like a shark! .

Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 28th 2020 at 12:52:50 PM

...I just want to make it clear, I'm not saying that he shouldn't be physically overwhelmed, arrested and taken in for trial. He definitely should, that's the sign of a healthy legal system.

I just think that "he wants to die" shouldn't be a factor in what the legal system does to him. I'm looking at this from a Watsonian viewpoint- particularly, the viewpoint of what his ultimate fate should be in the hands of law enforcement.

He should be taken in, yes, but because he's a villain that has already harmed innocent people and so the legal system can properly decide his fate, not because it would thwart his personal wishes and make him suffer.

...I also have to say that if he dies, if Todoroki does kill him during the heat of battle...well, I can't entirely fault him for that. Dabi should be taken in, yes, but...police officers are granted the right to kill in the line of duty for a reason. It's a last resort and should be one. But. It's there. The lives of innocent people takes precedence.

I also have to say that while I can sympathize with what happened to Dabi, my heart isn't going to bleed for him until he's stopped. He's a villain, yes, but he's also a character, a person that wasn't just born evil. He was a victim and what happened was terrible.

But he's being a victimizer, a bastard this instant and that's what matters right now.

Also, Rob said something that I want to comment on:

"Murdered?" If Dabi was beaten down and while he's prone on the floor, heavily injured and not actually doing anything beyond taunting Endeavor, telling him to go ahead and torch him, and Endeavor just...does.

That would be murder, yes. But in the heat of battle, trying to stop somebody that's also trying to kill you- that is legal self-defense.

Killing Dabi in the line of duty is not the same as murdering him.

You're right about that, Rob. There's more to being a hero then just hurting villains.

I just don't care if he wants to die. If he wanted to live, I wouldn't want him killed this instant, either, just as a "screw you". He can want to become a bunny rabbit and I wouldn't care.

Bad people should be stopped because they want bad things but not everything a bad person wants is a bad thing we should stop. I mean, not to say that if they want good things, things we all can agree on but otherwise go too brutal or horrendous in their methods, that gets by.

Bad people want bad things? Stop them. Bad people want good things but do them in a horrible way, one that hurts innocent people? Stop them. That's it, for me.

As I said: I want him taken in because he's a villain. What he wants otherwise is a non-issue and gives him more power then I care for.

Edited by fredhot16 on Nov 28th 2020 at 1:30:48 AM

That's fair enough. I used the wrong term. Of course, even justifyiably killing Dabi might work against them if there's even the tiniest doubt that he was killed in defence of others. Dabi's at his endgame, so I doubt he's planning to somehow tape his own death at his dad or brother's hands to further hurt heroes, but I'm not totally prepared to put it past him.

He's possibly considered he might not take Endeavour down, but you don't have to kill someone to kill them. He could still have other plans in play to continue screwing over his family even if he dies right here and now.

That's the problem, a lot of people aren't looking at this from a Wattsonian perspective, but a doylist one.

Legit had somebody make a note at how Deku is "ignoring the faults of the hero system" by...caring about Shoto's well-being rather than Dabi being a victim.

Eh, better just trick Giganto to squash him and save the dillema.

...Lazier, certainly.

I despise attempts to side-step dilemmas like that. You set it up, you go through with it.

Edited by fredhot16 on Nov 28th 2020 at 1:12:54 AM

It's not about whether Dabi is or is not a victim. Because Dabi IS a victim, undeniably. It's just that to some people he has carte blanche to do whatever the hell he wants cause sad backstory. happily ignoring that the rest of the Todorokis are victims too including Shoto and Rei. And including the many, many people Dabi killed.

That is a distinction people have made, that he isn't justified in targeting his other family members.

People assumed he would just target Endeavor and leave it at that, and nobody was opposed to that. But now that Dabi is actively targeting people besides Endeavor, that's the issue.

Because are torn over if Dabi is justified in his actions or not.

I don't think his fans ever stopped and thought what him revealing his family's dirty laundry would actually mean and they thought he wouldn't be as unhinged as he is at going about it.

I'm reminded of Invincible where what Omni-Man really thought of his wife got leaked onto the whole world to hear.

Mark's mom was obviously distraught over what her husband said but she was also extremely distraught over the fact everyone else knows too.

Like this was extremely private shit & now its public for everyone to gossip about. That shit hurts, even if their actual identities weren't known because thankfully Omni-Man didn't use names, it still shouldn't be out there for the public to know.

And that's what people are missing, and why Best Jeanist calls Dabi out on it. There was absolutely no reason Dabi had to drag the world into his family issues and now they're paying for it.

Exposing abusers kind of inadvertently puts the spotlight onto the people they abused, crazy isn't it. People are so obsessed with satisfying their sense of justice, nobody ever actually stopped to think what that would mean for everyone else involved.

Its a slippery slope; people feel like if you don't expose abusers, you're enabling it to happen. But if you do expose them, then you're inadvertently putting the people associated with said abusers at risk too.

And this is especially prevalent depending on what your cultural values are; America has been cracking down on domestic issues as of late with laws pertaining to them.

Japan does not have those laws iirc, and domestic issues are kept within the family to deal with. In fact, making domestic issues public in Japan will inadvertently stigmatize the whole family and not just the one instigating the incidents as Japan has a "don't rock the boat mentality".

-_-. Can I be a bit honest here? I...I really don't care about what "hardcore" Dabi fans think or say. Especially the silly or stupid ones people keep bringing up. Or that that people keep bringing them up.

...If I can go a bit further, it comes off a little like people trying to make a freakshow of them. Not only is it not very interesting to me but it just doesn't seem like a cool thing to do.

Probably not the best way to phrase it but it's midnight, what you gonna do?

Edited by fredhot16 on Nov 28th 2020 at 10:23:19 AM