CHADhan Player.
As I mentioned before; Shoto has relationships outside of his one to Deku. He stopped being defined by him a long time ago.
I don't think its unreasonable for the fanbase to want a main character to get the same level of treatment as the others.
As mentioned, Deku and Bakugo's relationship is pretty mutual and much better defined, while Deku's relationship with Uraraka tend to be much more one-sided.
Shit, practically everyone who watches MHA acknowledges that Deku, Bakugo, and Todoroki dwarf everyone else in terms of devopment. The main contention is that Uraraka and Ida are supposedly on that level, but in practice, they aren't, at all and that's been apparent for a long time now. It's not that they get no development, its that the development they get is extremely insufficient if you compare to what the trio get.
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...I know. That's the entire purpose of what the post I linked to is. Yeah, Shoto isn't defined just by his relationship to Midoriya, but it's still a big aspect of his character. He just branched off once his family life began to get greater focus. But it still doesn't change the fact that at the core of his character, he will always have a significant portion of it devoted to his relationship to Midoriya, since without that relationship, he wouldn't be who he is now.
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The thing that is kind of frustrating is that Uraraka’s importance meta speaking is not reflected in the series itself. She’s the first person of his age to be openly kind to him after years of bullying and the one that turned his derogative nickname into something positive.
Aside from that, she offers a fresh take on heroism, in that she acknowledges the material need to support her family while still striving to save others. She’s a genuinely kind person who also has a tinge of realism in an area we often don’t mention.
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
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But you call it a Double standard because fans don't hold that against Shoto, but do so for Ochako. There's a good reason for that and it has less to do with gender.
That's a good way putting; she's supposed to be important, because Meta contextual wise, she's all over promotional materials. But her presence in the story doesn't reflect that.
Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 27th 2020 at 10:51:48 AM
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Looking at the translated chapter, it seems that bit about forced quirk activation was the spoiler guys mistaking the burned down cables for Shigaraki's tentacles. Seems like it's just Dabi showing off his evil/insanity after all.
Also it looks like Burnin's quirk involves grabbing chunks of her flaming hair and throwing it.
x3 I call it that cause even you agreed it was that.
CHADhan Player.
Sexist from the author, not the readers.
Por que no los dos?
CHADhan Player.
How can it be both? The main reason people are upset is because Ochako doesn't get more developed. People hold it against her because they expect better of her.
She's like the anit-Sakura, except people actually like her. So the fact we see less of her is even more annoying.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.The unintentional sexism being both. Horikoshi unintentionally falling into the trappings of Shonen writing for females, and fans holding Uraraka to a higher standard in terms of development and independence from Midoriya despite being about equal with Bakugo because she's a female lead.
Plus, the entire point of the original post I linked where we discussed was about the unintentional sexism from the the fanbase, not Horikoshi. It's why I had these parts.
- 1. The fact he's a guy. It's old hat at this point that The Lancer or the Number Two to The Hero will have their characterization heavily connected to The Hero, since even characters like Vegeta have it as such. While Shoto isn't The Rival, that's Bakugo's position, he is effectively the tritagonist of the series now that All Might has retired and taken a Supporting Protagonist role. So for many people, Shoto having his characterization tied to Izuku's isn't as big an issue since its effectively just one of the cliches of Shonen.
Edited by RebelFalcon on Nov 27th 2020 at 11:31:34 AM
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CHADhan Player.
People hold Uraraka to a higher standard because it's common for female leads in Shonen to get the short end of the stick in terms of development and screentime. That's the premise.
And I was mainly referring to Horikoshi when I said that, not the fanbase. Both Bakugo or Shoto are not the same. They blatantly get more panel time than Uraraka does, and have more involvement in the plot. You can talk all you want about how much development Uraraka have, but the bottom line is that she's completely dwarfed compared to them.
To make this simpler, I'll put this in tiers: Deku is S+ since he's the main character, Bakugo and Todoroki are S given the significant roles they still play to this day, while Uraraka is A- at her best. People want her to at least, be in the same tier as Bakugo and Todoroki, because as I said, it's too common for female leads to get the least amount of screentime and development than the male leads and people are tired of it.
If you want me to be generous; you can Deku is S, Baku and Todo are A, and Uraraka is B. But the point still stands.
Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 27th 2020 at 11:41:50 AM
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CHADhan Player.
So something to note, Spinner mentioned that Machia is getting exhausted after arriving on the scene.
So, Momo's plan DID work, just not as well as she probably would have hoped.
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Delicious in the Moomin Valley
It worked until Shigaraki told him to break free. So Machia did that like nothing ever happened.
Plenty to be disappointed about in this chapter (from Nejire and Burnin' getting shafted, to Shigaraki still being out and about despite having been pounded for like an hour now, to Mirio suddenly showing up to steal everyone's thunder - what, are we gonna get All Might in a power armor next?), so I'll just savor in the salt mines of Dabistans.
Big Grah
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"Out and about" really isn't what I'd call Shigaraki right now, he's barely conscious. Deku and Endeavor really did a number on him.
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CHADhan Player.
This chapter is splittin people apart :V
How did Burnin get shafted? She's just there to set up Mirio arriving.
CHADhan Player.
Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 27th 2020 at 4:37:31 AM
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Yep thats Dabi.
You could evne make one of Dabi and Dabi burning himself alive of his own volition and the bottom would be the exact same.
Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.x4 The mere fact they claim Dabi is a "morally grey character" is all I needed to see before I stopped reading. Fuck that noise. Yeah, the manga isn't Black-and-White Morality, but in no way is Dabi anything but morally black. Enji is morally light grey. Toga is morally dark grey. Twice was morally grey. Dabi is the blackest of morally black. And if anyone tries to make a race joke, don't. It's a waste of time.
Edited by RebelFalcon on Nov 27th 2020 at 4:44:27 AM
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There it is. Pretty literally what happened, too.
Edited by Shinziril on Nov 27th 2020 at 3:45:09 AM
CHADhan Player.
You realize you're just proving that post's point about people judging each other over this lmao.
Should have figured this reveal would split the fandom down the middle, but it sure is a sight.
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But Bakugo and Uraraka stand out just by how important their relationship to Deku is to their character arcs. I think only All Might may be in that same boat.