Death Battle cleanup

Re: Sun Wukong VS Hercules: I'm torn because I don't feel like we have enough information.

• Boomstick: You'd think Sun might not measure up to the God of Strength's... y'know, strength, but he totally could. Remember, he carried Sumaru on his back, the mountain holding up the infinite celestial sky, like how Heracles held up the infinite celestial sphere.

Like what does this mean. Which one weighs more... are they even? Is Hercules stronger?

Now I will say the way they describe it does make it feel really stompy (The post battle analysis literally reads like an entry for one of these) so I could be persuaded.

I mean, if both are infinitely large, it stands to reason both are infinitely heavy....

Yeahhhh I dunno I'm just iffy on having a stomp between two infinitely strong characters for the reasons Zux mentioned

Well... using DB's own words here's a hypothetical entry.

• Hercules VS Sun Wukong ended with one mythological figure firmly above the other. While Hercules could match Wukong with both possessing infinite strength, only Wukong could heal from being struck by a fatal blow. Hercules could possibly kill Wukong with his Hydra poison, but first he'd have to actually hit a monkey far faster than he could ever hope to be. Meanwhile Wukong could simply summon clones to beat Hercules up from a safe distance and had far more versatility than the God of strength.

Edited by Happyfrybreath on Nov 12th 2022 at 11:51:33 AM

Re: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15874066820A53936800&page=18#comment-426

I remember someone writing that sun easily could carry the infinite universe on his shoulder via a mountain while he carried another mountain on his other shoulder. It implies that sun could carry 2 infinite universes.

You can't multiply infinity, so two infinities actually weigh the same as one infinity, in the same way that infinite one-dollar bills are worth the same as infinite twenty-dollar bills (I'm happy I got a chance to apply the knowledge I got from this video).

Well, not always. For example, 2^infinity $1 bills is worth more than infinite $100 bills because the former is uncountably infinite while the latter is only countably so.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Nov 12th 2022 at 10:38:07 AM

Anyway for thor vs vegeta, you can actually mention the lack of a advantage and disadvantage screen.

About the two infinities thing... we're only going by what the show says so that's irrelevant anyways

I'm not sure how a lack of advantage/disadvantage screen adds to it?

You could mention: To drive home how completely screwed vegeta was against thor, the episode had no advantage and disadvantage screen, which signaled how vegeta had absolutely nothing going for in his favor.

I could but I'm not really sure that's why?

I feel like the upcoming Deku VS Asta episode could be slotted in for the Unexpected Character section, at least on the same grounds for Ben 10 VS Green Lantern with both characters being expected to fight a different character rather than each other. Like, people expected Izuku to fight Gon from Hunter X Hunter, and Asta to fight Meliodas from Seven Deadly Sins.

This really isn't the thread for that but sure!

Alright guys so it appears someone has added Excalibur VS Raiden... given the fight description I don't really have a problem with it being added I suppose

However it might need a new writeup, the one they have is very wordy

Also I submitted the 4 I already mentioned

Edited by Happyfrybreath on Nov 14th 2022 at 11:30:03 AM

I don't think Deku VS Asta is that unexpected, even if it's not necessarily everyone's top pick for both characters. They do have enough connections that it's not completely out of the left field. I've certainly seen plenty of people discussing this match-up in the past.

Edited by Zuxtron on Nov 14th 2022 at 8:10:22 AM

So I assume Michael vs Jason and Sauron vs Lich King aren't stomps...

But we might have one upcoming

Yep. The halloween one was only decided by a better healing factor and experience. They were dead even otherwise.

Lich king vs sauron didn’t appear to be a stomp either. I’m not too into it so I’m not sure.

EDIT: Reminds me. At one careful look was captain marvel completely fucked against shazam? She only had battle experience with shazam taking everything else.

Edited by AlicornGaia on Nov 23rd 2022 at 12:03:09 AM

Sauron and Arthas were pretty even in most of the big stats, so Sauron's victory came from smaller advantages, like a more covert power source. Their fight was the opposite of a stomp.

Edited by badtothebaritone on Nov 22nd 2022 at 10:08:36 AM

Personally I'd classify Sauron vs Lich King as a Foregone Conclusion since the only winning requirement Lich King had was to destroy the One Ring (which is the only legitimate way to truly kill Sauron for good), which he had no way to do so as the fight didn't take place at Mt. Doom but at the Frozen Throne, in highsight, Lich King was at a huge disadvantage right off.

Edited by VioletParrfan1989 on Nov 23rd 2022 at 2:21:41 AM

Indeed, but that's not a stomp

You could argue most matches are Foregone conclusions tbh

If I remember correctly they explicitly call it a "crazy close battle".

They did, but when one character has a requirement of "can only be killed by having a specific item that keeps them from being Killed Off for Real" in which said item can only be destroyed by being melted in one specific area vs another "can only be killed by having a specific item be destroyed in which said item is much easier to destroy", it's becomes less of a close fight and more of a Foregone Conclusion.

There was literally no way, shape or form that Arthas was winning this. This is literally Bowser vs Ganondorf all over again.

Only gonna get worse when Alduin from Skyrim eventually shows up because he literally has a similar "can only be killed in a specific place" like Sauron has which will no doubt influence the results.

We're only supposed to be going with how the hosts call the fight. And they did call it close.

Wiz: Despite the Lich King's impressive power, Sauron's might was absolute.

Boomstick: But not before he got the duel of his life in a crazy close bout.

Wiz: The Lich King certainly posed a threat to Sauron, but the ruler of Mordor's awesome might, enduring spirit, and millennia of treachery proved him the superior dark lord.

@Alicorn Gaia

Captain Marvel was absolutely fucked against Shazam. Let's just put it this way: Shazam is on par with Superman in terms of power. Superman curb-stomped Goku twice. Android 18, who is canonically weaker than Goku, curb-stomped Captain Marvel. She's gonna have even less of a chance winning against Shazam than against Android 18

Edited by Tehrannotaur on Nov 28th 2022 at 8:46:46 AM

Is Shazam on par with Superman though? I was under the impression that his magic was what let him keep up (Since superman doesn't resist that well)

In the introduction to Shazam they talked about how he was able to take on Superman himself, such as being tough enough to shrug off his punches, and even being faster than him.

Even disregarding the Superman comparison, the hosts note in the post-battle analysis that Shazam is far faster than Captain Marvel (133 quadrilion+ faster than her) and that he can punch a black hole into existence (the equivalent of 97 supernovas, far stronger than Captain Marvel's planet-busting feat). They also put a sidenote that the Wisdom of Solomon could have allowed Shazam to discern Captain Marvel's energy absorption ability and thus focus on physical attack. Considering his far faster speed and strength, he can just speedblitz her. Lastly they note that her energy absorption powers can only take so much, and Captain Marvel just has far, far more powerful energy-based attacks than she could take it in.

Either way, Captain Marvel is absolutely fucked against Captain Marvel (even moreso than against Android 18). She ultimately never stood a chance against him.

Edited by Tehrannotaur on Nov 30th 2022 at 7:01:44 AM