The General Star Wars Thread

Like an old school samurai dual.

That is one of my all time favorite duels.

It's also worth considering that the fact that Jedi (or the Sith, really) aren't usually flashy makes the moments where they are flashy that much more impactful. Sidious and Vader come off as monsters because the things they do are beyond what we see from anyone else, which is definitely intentional.

And yeah, Obi-Wan vs Maul (Round 5) is one of the best duels in the entire franchise, and all it is is less than a handful of simple but terribly precise strikes.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 24th 2021 at 4:53:20 AM

The defining difference is that a top-tier Sith evokes Unstoppable Rage and a top-tier Jedi evokes Tranquil Fury. The comparison between Vader's rampage in Rogue One and Luke's arrival in The Mandalorian is telling, as Vader uses raw power and an advancing, defensive wall approach while Luke was more nimble and calculated but no less efficient. Sometimes what is most impressive is not the flashy powers but the sense of experienced mastery. When Ventress attempted to challenge Yoda he simply yanked her lightsabers from her hands.

Edited by EmeraldSource on Feb 24th 2021 at 6:56:56 AM

The reason I advocate Jedi having flashier techniques is that, if Force Lightning is tied to the Dark Side, have Jedi simply invent their own.

And since Dragon Ball, let it be known that I have never touched Dragon Ball before. I had other franchises in mind that do flashy martial arts techniques.

Other than replicating Ki-based "blast" attacks Protagonist 506 suggested, have flashy attacks be done as enhancers for more physical attacks like Hurricane Kick.

What I thing it should have is a sort of force redirecting tecnique, is a shame the jedi never devopt something agaisnt force lighting.

If Yoda is any indication there already is one, it's just very difficult.

They don't exactly face many people capable of the move.

Its been a thousand years since they last faced a Sith.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 24th 2021 at 11:01:07 AM

I mean, Yoda did.

Other Jedi can deflect Force Lightning too, but they need a lightsaber to do it. Obi-Wan deflected Dooku's lightning with it, and Mace Windu did the same with Palpatine's.

Luke probably could have done the same in ROTJ if he hadn't already thrown his lightsaber aside.

What Yoda did seems to simply be a particularly advanced form of using Force Push to force it away. It's kind of like how Caleb Dume used the Force to hold back a massive explosion in Star Wars Rebels - at least, for a few seconds.

Edited by M84 on Feb 25th 2021 at 3:51:20 AM

Honestly I prefer the Jedi to have techniques that aren't flashy, but are no less powerful than the Sith. I think it suits them well.

*2. Rey also managed to do it, although she needed help from the ghosts of the force.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Feb 25th 2021 at 6:38:48 AM

I know this is sorta off topic, but does anyone get those Star Wars videos from a guy that tries to analyze the franchise, effectively debunks the idea of Gray Jedi—which was cool and is legit a good summary of why such a concept makes no sense in the setting—and then proceed to ignore the overall motif of the Jedi Order being "wellmeaning but flawed" and act as if their clearly flawed ways were 100% right and how the Star Wars world is actually a Cosmic Horror Story in their youtube feeds?

I feel strange about them because its clear the author made a lot of effort, but his methodology and interpretations are so...weird

Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 25th 2021 at 12:16:09 PM

As time has gone on, I've become more agreeable to the idea that the Jedi were basically entirely right, barring one or two exceptional moments, and it was entirely Anakin's flawed and fundamentally corrupt character that doomed them.

Raising kids to be emotionally stagnant from infancy seems like a powder keg in the making. Anakin was simply the match.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 25th 2021 at 9:22:01 AM

The Jedi don't raise kids to be emotionally stagnant, to note.

While the whole "take in kids as part of a semi-militarized order before they're old enough to give consent" bit is one of those exceptional things I feel are unsavory about the Jedi, it's generally exaggerated when people say that they cut off emotions.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 25th 2021 at 9:30:12 AM

Well they raise them to be something other than fully emotionally rounded, so whatever one calls that.

That is why I say, well meaning but flawed. The type of flaws that should be fixed but where you can still say "Yeah, this is a force of good"

Yeah. They encourage some emotions, discourage others, including those that are pretty valuable (or at least having an outlet for them is necessary).

The Jedi encourage emotions but discourage attachments, specifically.

All in all, they raise their kids to be monks, or at the very least Stoics. Whether joining a monastic state of thinking is inherently to be considered emotional stagnation is - in itself - something of a different conversation.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 25th 2021 at 9:34:30 AM

So what do you think would have happened if Obi-wan had just been blunt with Anakin and made him choose between the Jedi order or Padme?

Anakin was hell bent on having both. I think it came up during his story more than once that he could have chosen either at any time, but he wanted to be the greatest Jedi ever so he never would have left.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 25th 2021 at 9:36:31 AM

From my understanding, it's very much a prominent by-product of the Traviss era. :|

The thing about taking in children is that it seemed to reflect the idea of various groups who seek out talented individuals and bring them somewhere their skills can thrive. Likewise, their family in fact accepts and encourages this separation because they know they will have a better life than if they stay. It's less extreme in the modern age where communication with your family is easy and casual, but the end result is still the same. In the EU what Qui-Gon did with Anakin was not an anomaly, and in fact seemed to be almost standard procedure. It is easy to warp what was happening as "kidnapping kids" but compared to the Halo Spartan II program it is quite a bit more moral.

Also, being force sensitive without going through the training to control your abilities can be mighty dangerous, so it's also not just to help the children themselves, but also to keep their environment safe.