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Edited by nombretomado on Sep 26th 2019 at 5:19:24 AM
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This vote-taking has something of a rhythm to it.
To pity someone is to tell them "I feel bad about being better than you."
And now the GOP are trying to throw a smokescreen in the face of the chairman by hair-splitting a rule.
Denied.
Now witnesses.
Edited by TitanJump on Dec 4th 2019 at 4:37:59 PM
Wait, is this actually happening now? Is Trump actually being impeached?
I mean, I know he won't be removed, what with the Senate being the way it is, but I'm honestly surprised we even got this far.
State of Mind
Not just yet. It's gone to the Judicial Committee in the House so they can determine what articles of impeachment to write up.
Edited by Parable on Dec 4th 2019 at 7:44:37 AM
"What a century this week has been." - Seung Min Kim
Obviously, Trump is going to be impeached.
American democracy won't mean anything if he isn't.
Also, Trump's financials have been entered into evidence in the impeachment process. Their release is now historical.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Dec 4th 2019 at 7:51:11 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
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Lol, the GOP is actually trying to call off the hearing until a later date.
Edited by PhysicalStamina on Dec 4th 2019 at 10:52:17 AM
To pity someone is to tell them "I feel bad about being better than you."
State of Mind
Oh yeah, expect even more Republican jackassery than in the Intelligence Committee. There are twice as many Nunes and Jordan's here.
"What a century this week has been." - Seung Min Kim
If it's your child's birthday, turn on C-SPAN.
Free clowns.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Figure of Hourai
This is remarkably petty stuff, all the motioning to table.
Avatar Source
3 out of 4 witnesses (professionals) have been having their opening statements so far.
Result: GOP and every single one of their arguments = Destroyed
We aren't even through the opening statements yet.
State of Mind
The witnesses here are the constitutional scholars, yeah?
"What a century this week has been." - Seung Min Kim
Turley is "both sides" reincarnate. Holy shit.
The GOP witness is completely bonkers... he just quoted a fictional play for his defense...
And now the GOP tried to drag out the whistleblower into the room on demand... AGAIN!!
Edited by TitanJump on Dec 4th 2019 at 5:23:00 PM
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
...Right, what the fuck has happened so far?
"Yup. That tasted purple."
The witnesses (the three democratic ones) are being questioned...
They are making it crystal clear with easily understandable facts about impeachment and why Trump is impeachable.
It's really damning for the GOP and Trump.
No amount of logical arguments are going to make much of a difference if the people who need to listen to them are burying their faces underground.
I'm with Charles, the more important part is how much of Trump's little network will be dismantled.
The Spectre Monk
So basically, we probably won't take down the big boss himself, but we very likely will take down some of his minions, and that's definitely good for us?
I guess, after a night of pillaging and raping, a Viking wants a little something to go with his cocoa.
The big boss will also not enjoy it whatsoever, which, while in itself already already a worthy goal, is likely to result in more erratic behaviour, decreasing his and his toadies' chances in the next election.
Trump has also proven that he is watching every minute of these elections and it's distracting him from all of his regularly scheduled evil.
Another constitutional good is the fact that the impeachment will permanently mark the Trump Presidency historically as a violation of laws, customs, and democracy.
Which will restore some of the luster of government's crown (and I know the irony for my saying that).
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Dec 4th 2019 at 9:19:48 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
And here comes the GOP side of the hearing.
(groaning and facepalming so hard...)
The republican jackhammer has already gotten started.
Turley is basically saying the opposite of everything he said during the Clinton Trial.
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Doug Collins (GOP) really needs a chill-pill.
He's rambling so fast and shouting so high that I mistook him for a jackhammer at first...
The GOP are full on the retreat, rambling nothing but nonsense so far and accusing Team Blue for pressing for impeachment because "they didn't like the guy!"...
And accusing Team Blue for "foul play"...
Update: And now claims that "DONALD TRUMP ALWAYS TOLD THE TRUTH!!!"
(Which at this point, just got me to stop listening to this nonsense and made the GOP's opening point perfectly clear.)
And now has the audacity to demand for chairman Schiff to testify first.
Edited by TitanJump on Dec 4th 2019 at 4:33:24 PM