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Edited by nombretomado on Sep 26th 2019 at 5:19:24 AM
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So Manchin is a definitive "No" on Removal? Sucks, but expected.
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For the life of me, I can't understand why Manchin doesn't just switch parties.
Seems like he'd be much more at home with his fellow Republicans
I guess, after a night of pillaging and raping, a Viking wants a little something to go with his cocoa.
At the risk of a stupid question, what are the odds of a 51-49 to convict? I heard someone named Sinema is also voting to convict but the name doesn't ring any bells so I don't know if they're a Republican or Blue Dog Democrat.
Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 5th 2020 at 2:15:34 AM
Sinema is a Blue Dog.
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She's a Democrat. 52-48 unless something truly momentous happens.
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Still think he should switch?
In seriousness, this is great. I don't think we'll have any defectors this time.
Edited by Parable on Feb 5th 2020 at 1:16:50 AM
52-48 to acquit, since Romney's the only Republican defector currently?
Edited by sgamer82 on Feb 5th 2020 at 2:20:13 AM
A procrastination in of itself
It’s in 48-52 on Abuse of Power and 47-53 on Obstruction of Congress.
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Well folks, looks like it's the end of democracy in America, time for an authoritarian Republican oligarchy.
Also, the Mitt Romney vote isn't that surprising (since he's one of the few GOP senators that showed his disgust on what Trump did with Ukraine), but is he the only GOP senator that voted to convict Trump over acquitting him?
Edited by DarkPaladinX on Feb 5th 2020 at 2:15:26 AM
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... I really hope for your sake that first line was merely sarcastic, because explaining the falsehood of that statement has been done to death already.
Not being sarcastic on this, the GOP just basically give Trump a thumbs up to do whatever he wants and okaying him to investigate and silence his political opponents as he pleases. Basically, the GOP okayed the president to be as authoritarian as he can be.
Edited by DarkPaladinX on Feb 5th 2020 at 2:32:53 AM
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A procrastination in of itself
It’s not the end of democracy, there is a genuine risk of Trump escalating, perhaps to more brute force methods (I fear what Trump might ask a country to have their embassy security (who carry diplomatic immunity) do for him).
However we do not know what comes next, Ukraine was in a pretty vulnerable position, I have a hard time thinking of a country that would we willing to act even more openly in support of Trump.
Still, I hope Hunter Biden has a security detail.
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The US isn’t any less a democracy than it was last week. It’s certainly not a dictatorship or autocracy now suddenly.
They should have sent a poet.
The whistleblower to, considering that Rand Paul is all but trying to get them killed.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Nobody is going to kill the whistleblower. Not over a failed impeachment effort, anyway.
Edited by Bense on Feb 5th 2020 at 4:06:40 AM
The chance that Mitt Romney will defect to the Democratic party, or even become an Independent is, I would say, hovering right around zero. He votes along with the rest of the Republicans 80% of the time; he just doesn't personally like Trump. Many of his constituents feel the same way.
He has four years until he faces re-election to win back those who will hold this vote against him in Utah.
Edited by Bense on Feb 5th 2020 at 4:05:34 AM
Releasing his name for shits and giggles then? I think not.
West Virginia was run as the personal fief of Robert C. Byrd (pork loving KKK Democrat) for a long time and it's a very different sort of situation in the state there for Joe Manchin. Manchin and the other Democrats there are heavily involved with the corporations that own the majority of the land and businesses in the state. They call themselves coal companies but they're actually "energy" companies and in no economic danger whatsoever since the vast majority of their money comes from natural gas and oil. They're accompanied by "health" companies that are actually the state's largest employers that use ACA to keep much of the state employed.
The Democratic/Republican divide isn't really the same as it is in other states because both parties are all about scratching the other's back financially with the argument what is good for the corporations is good for the people. On the other hand, Manchin is the polar opposite of getting benefits for the public as, say, Mitch 30 miles away. West Virginia is all about getting as much money for the public and public works as possible.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 5th 2020 at 3:31:34 AM
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What comes next is more politics. Until the 2020 election.
Then, after that, we have more politics until the 2022 election.
From there, more politics until the 2024 election.
And then again until the 2026 election. Repeat ad nauseum.
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But what is actually going to happen is that democracy will continue. The fights we've been fighting, we'll still have to fight. The struggles we've been struggling, we'll still have to struggle. This act is complete and now it's on to the next one, and then the next, and then the next.
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The biggest problem with how people treat politics is that they always want to leap to the Roll Credits moment.
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Oh, bother.
I do find it hilarious how damn near everyone here expected Jones and Manchin to vote against impeachment.
Disgusted, but not surprised
I don't know about Jones, but didn't Manchin at one point say that he was voting against impeachment?
Or, maybe I'm thinking of when he said he was going to leave the Democratic party to be a Republican?
That is Manchin, right?
Edited by WillKeaton on Feb 5th 2020 at 6:44:01 AM
Look at it this way:
Everyone knows Manchin is a conservative Democrats
No one's saying Romney is a liberal Republican
Therefore, "the remove side is more bipartisan" has more weight lol
Edited by NoName999 on Feb 5th 2020 at 11:48:29 AM