Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker (spoilers obviously)

Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon immediately reacted to the destruction of the Republic cruiser on the Trade Federation ship using the force, since they pulled out their lightsabers they barely even realized WHAT happened at first. Force sensitive people don't have omnipresent clairvoyance (hence "I have a bad feeling about this"), but they can certainly read a situation they're focused on.

Regarding the one-a-year movies, Star Wars were big event films with a massive EU before Disney bought the franchise. Not even the MCU does yearly event films, those are limited mostly to the Avengers (last year and this year have been different due to the Infinity War/Endgame arc). While the movies made a lot of money the real value was in the merchandising, which benefits from diversity. Solo would have benefited from a much smaller budget, and while Rogue One was popular enough it set a standard that ALL Star Wars movies were going to be big war epics, and that is diametrically opposed to the concept of anthology stories.

..... i always assumed they could HEAR a ship exploding. In the same vessel they were occupying.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

NVM

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 23rd 2019 at 6:24:24 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

George Lucas was dissapointed of The Force Awakens, says Bob Iger.

Wow. I didn't know that...

"Scooby Dooby Doo!"

Back when it first premiered he said it was "a film that fans will love."

Doesn't surprise me, TBH.

"He wasn't wrong, but he also wasn't appreciating the pressure we were under to give ardent fans a film that felt quintessentially Star Wars.

We'd intentionally created a world that was visually and tonally connected to the earlier films, to not stray too far from what people loved and expected, and George was criticizing us for the very thing we were trying to do."

The Protomen enhanced my life.

"That was the same year he'd said Disney's handling of his films, which he referred to as "kids," made him feel like he'd "sold them to the white slavers.""

....That is a.....very strong choice of words....

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

I don't really know what to say about this. Especially when in November I will begin watching the Star Wars films and TV series in release order (October's LEGO month for me) in order to prepaer for the end of the Skywalker Saga: The Rise of Skywalker.

"Scooby Dooby Doo!"

Good.

This is the same man responsible for all the flaws of the prequels.

When it comes to quality his opinion isn't exactly credible.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

He also create the original trilogy even if did with help.

you know, the same trilogy the new one cling so hard?.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

The original trilogy was a group effort full of people willing to say no or do their own thing when Lucas had a bad idea.

The OT really isn't just his, it belongs to a lot of people.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

So? is still is project, we cant deny that because the prequels suck.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

George's specific criticism, to note:

Which does make sense given what we know of George. He wasn't great at plotting or dialogue or not plastering stereotypes all over his work, but he was all about worldbuilding and throwing his characters into new worlds and situations.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 24th 2019 at 10:43:38 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Okay that makes more sense.

While it is supposed to be on purpose for thematic reasons & such, the ST is a retread of the OT.

Right I misspelled that.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 24th 2019 at 11:41:46 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

I think you mean the OT?

I'd say the Sequels are quite similar to the OT in terms of visual style, which is actually what I like about it, to be honest.

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"

Yeah, I disagree with Lucas. Yes, a lot of the story beats are very similar to ANH, but there are still "visual and technical" leaps forward. Aside from the new things introduced — Kylo Ren's crossguard lightsaber, a rolling droid that uses no CGI to work (I believe) — there's also the fight scene between Finn and Rey and Kylo Ren, which is a great visual. In fact, there are a lot of smaller moments that present a new visual flair, but they are squeezed between longer scenes that imitate the OT.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 24th 2019 at 11:28:51 AM

Only like 2% of the movie was original then you cant really call 'not a retread'.

More than 2% of the movie was original. I was using that scene as an example.

Small moments, but not exactly something that stood out from the rest of the films overall. Jakku had the potential to be a lot more than just Tatooine-lite. The junkyard, Mad Max style should have been far more widespread rather than just one remote area. Like we're in a planet of junk. And it's not like you can't do that with practical effects. That's where the miniature models come in. And I still think they should have combined Maz's Castle with the Resistance Base because of how similar the two places were. But that's my opinion.

And I agree that the actual ST technological leap was minimal at best when it comes to vehicles. Lucas was a car enthusiast after all and deliberately made the Prequel vehicles something different yet familiar and fitting for the world he established. The new X-Wings and TIE Fighters should have been much more distinctly different yet familiar. Like, why not make the TIE Interceptors the standard model? TIE Interceptors are familiar images for any Star Wars, yet it cannot be confused with the old TIE Fighters.

It's honestly a bit frustrating that TFA played too safe with its setting. Like Abrams, you already won us over with you little muppet alien walking past you. Now let's see if you can make it stand without the need of nostalgia.

No project really belongs to one person. That's why it's a project. What we do know is that Lucas was the driving force behind the OT and PT, and was responsible for crucial story elements in TESB. We should not shrink his actual role in the OT to justify critique for his later mistakes. Sometimes, it's just as simple as losing your touch.

Edited by Shadao on Sep 25th 2019 at 1:18:48 AM

TFA was a deliberate attempt to take Star Wars back to its roots. It's revolutionary for succeeding in doing so.

As for visual design: It actually does feel like a step forward, by not overusing CGI and the like. It knows not to fix what isn't broken, and the movie really does have a pretty great aesthetic for it.

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"

It isn't taking it back to its roots. Its shamelessly ripping off A New Hope and its a waste of a film for doing so.

Edited by doineedaname on Sep 25th 2019 at 8:58:41 AM

You know that there are these things called "other people" who have "different opinions than you," right? Like, well, I think TFA is a pretty great movie. And there are other people who like it, too.

@Aliterator Now now, nothing he said implies he doesn't understand that. He is entitled to his own opinion, even if it's one I disagree with (TFA is my favorite Star Wars movie).

@doineedaname Well, what's the difference? I would argue we needed a rip off of A New Hope, and the movie's primary aspiration is to recreate that kind of story.

And the movie does have its own creative ideas and its own style. For example, a turncoat Stormtrooper is an idea we haven't seen before. It flips Vader on its head and has a son-figure be evil instead of a father-figure. Putting Han Solo in the Obi-Wan like roll was a great idea, as it shows the cynical skeptic going full circle.

Also, it does not really play it safe as much as a lot of people say it does. There are plenty of decisions it makes that are actually rather bold, including: Killing off Han, having other Star Wars OT characters serve pretty secondary roles, having Han and Leia be divorced now, not having Luke be in the movie much at all, having a female protagonist.

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"

Yeah, the ST is cribbing a number of things from the OT, both good and bad, ranging from how Force Awakens was essentially a re-done new hope to how Phasma is this generation's Boba Fett in both good and bad ways.