Star Wars Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker (spoilers obviously)

I just want a movie with a coherent beginning, middle and end and engaging characters, not just trying to set up a franchise with "likeable" personalities. TFA doesn't really have an ending and TLJ doesn't really have a beginning (which contributes to the vapidness of it's And the Adventure Continues resolution).

Well, Hamburger, what would a movie that did that look like?

"Or she's a modern action movie protagonist.

This is exactly why Rey gets good so quickly, and I think I've been beating this particular drum for a while now. It has everything to do with structural trends in how heroes are written. The slower pace of a film made in the Seventies gives way to the frenetic pace of an action movie today, so everything has to be now, now, now. If Rey was a man, it would be the exact same thing.

Edited by CrimsonZephyr on Apr 15th 2019 at 10:42:13 AM

I have no concrete ideas, but just backpedaling on the things the toxics harped on about TLJ in general.

Off the top of my head, the film's still going to be headlined by a woman, a Latino, an Asian-American, and a Black man, so what's the risk exactly?

The toxic fans harass the actors, they aren't really bothering with the content of the film.

I still posit that Rey had next to no Instant Expert shenanigans in TLJ at all, and what was there felt as natural to me as Luke's development in ANH (that is to say, it didn't bother me on its own merits at all, as opposed to in TFA).

Jakku is a destitute rat-hole, and I feel like her non-Force skills - fighting, piloting, mechanics - are just things you'd need for basic survival there.

Most of them made sense to me in-universe, I guess my problem was that it felt like a particularly visible symptom of the already breakneck pacing the movie was suffering from. Not a disease, as it's not especially difficult to apply Fridge Brilliance to, but it is a symptom of a greater issue with the film.

For me a story makes or breaks it based on how well it establishes it's plot points, characterizations or character skills. TFA started off okay showing Rey as a scavenger climbing around the inside of a star destroyer, but then started adding combat skills, mechanic (including speaking astromech droid language), pilot and force user when it was convenient for the plot, as each becomes vital for the plot to move forward. In ANH it's mentioned some five times that Luke has experience as a pilot before he gets in an X-Wing for the climax. In TFA it would have been far more effective storytelling to show Rey working as a mechanic in the junkyard rather than the Oliver Twist "quarter rations" scene.

It would've been cool if they emphasized Rey as a Wrench Wench more. Overall, the only thing they've really done with that part of her character is use it to give her an affinity with the Falcon, and even that doesn't get much play after the couple scenes it's important. But I liked how she was introduced taking apart Star Destroyers and befriending droids.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Apr 16th 2019 at 12:01:08 PM

Well Rey's been a scavenger most of her life. She knows the components and stuff of a starship pretty well, such as how she was able to fix a problem on the Falcon by straight up pulling out the glitchy component to bypass it.

But yeah, an Episode 9 meant to keep the fan demands in mind would be a trainwreck of epic proportions. Remember how a few years ago there was a "petition" circulating that was demanding Disney make The Last Jedi non-canon and remake Episode 8 into something that "True fans" would enjoy?

I'd rather not remember, tbh. Feels like pointing fingers and- wait, hold on, a few years? It hasn't even been a year and a half since TLJ came out! :P

Edited by EndlessSea on Apr 16th 2019 at 9:27:28 AM

Wait she's still good with tech right?

Forgot she could do that.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 16th 2019 at 9:24:36 AM

Wait a goddanged second.

If Sheev is back - what does that make of Snoke?

Same as before: nothing at all.

Snoke was only half the man Sheev is. Metaphorically too.

If they just say Snoke was a botched Sheev clone it might explain a lot and let us forget him.

So people have noticed that this ship◊ resembles the one from Babby Rey's flashback in TFA.

I continue to be of the opinion (man I'm saying that a lot) that Snoke was absolutely fantastic... in the specific context of the role he was designed to play in TLJ, and as a twist on the OT-era Emperor archetype he obviously draws from.

Like, yeah, as possibly the most important faction leader in the galaxy for half the ST, he probably needed more about precisely what his deal was for the sake of the setting as a whole, but come on, guys, give him a bit of credit, at least.

I don't actually remember that shot from the teaser. Huh.

Edited by EndlessSea on Apr 17th 2019 at 8:50:29 AM

Ridley to Reylos: Drop Dead.

That was a much more chill video than your post suggests.

I was being deliberately hyperbolic, as a reference to a famously hyperbolic news article◊.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I've heard of the article before, but I never heard of why it was famous (and I didn't make the connection anyways, so... yeah).

Theory: It will turn out that Palpatine is able to come back as a force ghost of some sort, because he's not only one with The Force...he's two with The Force.

Theory: Palpatine came back because he was in love...with Rey! And the scene where he resurrects himself will go something like this:

Oh no, we are not going to that kind of territory. Kylo Ren in love with Rey was already bad enough for me.

Besides, old Sheev loves nothing except himself and the Death Star. That's why he's still around despite being dead. Too clinging on the Second Death Star.