Captain Marvel - Spoilers

It might go some way of explaining why Thanos didn’t get personally involved in the quest for the stones until after Ultron failed if among the people he was trying to avoid aggroing was Carol

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He didn't attack Asgard until they were an utter mess (Odin dead, their planet gone, etc).

I wonder if he also knew about Ego and was waiting him out as well.

It would make sense to avoid Carol. We already know Infinity Stones (and things that possess the same energy of an Infinity Stone) are Super Effective against each other.

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For all that people mocked Thanos for sitting on his ass for much of the MCU there were legitimate things out there that could have been a problem if they got in his way and he does ramp up from 0 to 60 in like no time

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Indeed. His biggest mistake was lending the Mind Stone to Loki. He went from having at least one stone, to zero.

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Didn’t slow him down and it seemed it was a contingency which granted went wrong

It does make a nice irony that the first stone he got becomes the last stone he got

Edit: Actually when this arc is over I’d like a comic covering some of the loose ends of the Infinity Stones

Where Thanos got the Mind Stone, how the other stones ended up where they were. That kind of stuff

Stuff that future movies aren’t likely to walk over

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 24th 2019 at 4:59:46 AM

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The Supercafe segments of the superhero HISHE videos never fail to crack me up.

Also I loved the bit where Fury pages Carol and she just kicks the asses of all the Chitauri.

Trust you? The only person I can trust is myself.

I found it funny that HISHE usually makes a joke about how the hero could have solved everything with their powers in an overly efficient manner but had to fish for new material here because that's exactly what Carol does.

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I loved the bit where Fury became a bitter paranoid cynic thanks to Goose scratching his eye out.

Why, Goose, why?!

Disgusted, but not surprised

My favorite part was when Batman pointed out the Superman 2 ending.

Watch me destroying my country

I am not sure about the smile joke...the upside: They explain that one shouldn't do that but the downside: The way they frame it, it come kind of off as if the notion it totally over the top and unreasonable because context matters. And there is a huge difference between "smile for the camera" and "smile for me".

I believe it's a perfect example of "Trying to help but have no idea what they're doing."

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Is Ronan really so hated that all the YMMV pages on Guardians Of The Galaxy and on Captain Marvel can say as far as audience reactions go is that some people criticize him for being a Hate Sink (ignoring the nuanced traits of his comic incarnation of course) and that Captain Marvel didn't really explore his character but make him more of the same? Or am I misreading things still?

I got my political views from reddit and that's bad

Well he's not hated as he has a fairly sizeable Estrogen Brigade but writingwise there's not much they present to make viewers like him or present him as someone to be liked traditionally.

Yeah, sadly this movie didn't do much to fix Ronan. Alas.

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Dude was a huge prick for decades of the comics so no redeeming value Ronan is a valid take

And the MCU is also a lot more upfront about how shitty the Kree are

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I'm just a bit sad that I didn't like this movie more. I was actually liking it up until the climax. Then it completely soured for me.

I think that type of ending for a film wouldn't work for me regardless of who it was. It just doesn't feel good.

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You don't have to like it but, well, maybe you are missing the major point of the climax? what exactly is it what doesn't work for you? You know, Captain Marvel is one of those movies which work better the more you think about it.

Okay, so my read on the film when I first watched it was initially: "Oh, so her character flaw is that she's hot tempered and overly emotional. That gets in the way of her doing her job." I was like: "Okay, standard character arc, let's see where they go with this."

Then in the finale it's revealed that her emotionality wasn't a weakness. It was her strength. And the Kree had tricked her into thinking it was a thing to be surpressed in order to make her doubt herself and to keep her under their thumb.

Now, see, I bet for those who like the movie, what I just described there is a massive plus. It's empowering. She's standing up to the opressive regime that tried to use the very thing that makes her special to make her feel inadequate. For me, it just didn't resonate. Because to me it was retroactively revealing that she wasn't supposed to be a flawed character. She's kinda perfect the way she is.

I wouldn't have minded it if the film had ended with the confrontation with the Kree Master AI. That was the last scene I really liked, and the main time when her realization somewhat worked for me. From there the film is basically just an extended victory lap for her. Which I don't enjoy. I don't enjoy watching a hero effortlessly kick ass.

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She has flaws, just not the ones you are thinking of. And her flaws don't stop her in the end from realizing her power and taking out the Kree warships.

Ah, I get it, you wanted a standard Superhero origin story in which the hero has to overcome some flaw to become a true hero. I enjoy the movie exactly because it is doing something different. Carol's big flaw in the movie is that she easily buys into propaganda - even before she ends up in the hands of the Kree. Oh, she doesn't believe into the notion that she can't become a pilot just because she is a woman, but she does believe that in order to do something meaningful she has to fly combat, has to be a soldier. The movie is not just about Carol reclaiming her agency, it is also about her questioning the notion of the "noble warrior heroes". At the end of the movie the greatest thing she does is not to destroy some rockets or to scare Ronan away. It is saving a bunch of refugees.

But the main focus of the movie is naturally on the bigger theme of shaking off oppression. And for that story it is important that even though Carol might have been a little bit too fast to buy into the notion of the heroic soldier, she as a person is overall completely fine the way she is.

Actually, I thought the initial set up was pretty generic. The "flaw" I thought she had to overcome was pretty tired. So the twist wasn't really my problem by itself.

Nah, my real problem is the aforementioned victory lap that takes up the end of the film and comprises its climax. I just don't like a hero to win easily. If it has to happen, make it quick. Don't linger on it. The reason I liked the AI scene is because it's the last thing in the movie that's capable of getting to her mentally. So it's satisfying to me to see her finally stand up to it and realize that it's full of shit..

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The short of it is: she's not Iron Man, she's Captain America. She's not Anakin Skywalker, she's Luke Skywalker. Or Indiana Jones. Or Captain Kirk. Etc, etc. She's not in the movie to, specifically, have an emotional journey (though she does have one), she's there to have plot centered journey, based around her learning things she didn't before and go places she never thought she would.

The whole, increasingly in depth analysis you see everywhere on whether or not she has a character arc in this movie always struck me as a little odd, because on that front she's know different than most other action movie protagonist. She's Rambo: she's there to show up and wreck face, while other characters are changed by way of her being there. She's Dirty Harry or Axel Foley: when the warden goes "yer a loose cannon, ye've gotta change!," she's there to ignore it and save the day anyway.

The movie isn't doing anything different from what people have loved for decades, it's just that suddenly it's a problem that merits leagues of examination.

In short, Carol is a throwback 80's-90's action hero. She's written like a throwback 80's-90's action movie. We're probably going to get a more detailed emotional arc for her specifically in the second one (it's not like anything in The 'Verse can harm her physically at this point), but this movie didn't require her to have one to be a complete package, because it's a throwback action movie.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 1st 2019 at 1:56:40 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Wasn't Rambo a traumatized Vietnam vet who went on a triggered rampage in a small country town and was kinda partially the villain of First Blood?

Plus, as I said, it's not that she doesn't have an emotional journey. It's more that after a certain point in the film nothing can stand up to her. The Emperor was capable of kicking Luke's ass, for instance.

Edited by GNinja on May 1st 2019 at 8:59:28 AM

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In exactly one movie, yes. Then the character actually became popular as of removing all of that from his characterization.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Maybe it says something about me that I always found the first First Blood the most interesting because of the angle they went with it.

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